RE: Danny - Why loyal Dubstep Fans Hate Mainstream so Much.

[the-devo]

Sup, /dsf/

Pkay said:
There's no clear cut lines between dubstep and brostep other than social acceptance.
This is exactly what I thought until now.

I realized that brostep producers simply don't give a flying fuck about what their production actually is (musically).
They completely disobeyed the music style classification system which has worked on every field of music of centuries.
If something had the tempo and rhythm of a style, it belonged to that specific category labeled whatever describes it's contents and characteristics best.
For instance, some of Hip-Hop's sub-genres are named after the kind of samples they use, the themes they rap about, the percentage of digital sounds used, or the tempo they use to make that specific sub-genre.

Examples:
Big Shug - Jazz rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYdY9sAiUbE

M.O.P. - Hardcore Hip-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E58LWvgR0Ng

J Dilla - Neo Soul (& Hip-Hop)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2t3e1X2AjA

Termanology - Underground Hip-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9yRxCl1hY0

Jehst - Brit-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ7sI-Hau-w
and so on..

What I'm trying to say here is that because hip-hop had the advantage of being born before the age of information (the internet),
it had time to develop naturally into the complex subculture it is today. Dubstep didn't have a chance.
It was born as an awesome, deep, subtly frightening style. It then got popular in 2008-2009, and shit just got completely out of hand.
Instead of showing respect to the roots of the style, people just started tearing it up into pieces.
If Hip-Hop is a fully developed husky feared by millions, then Dubstep is the inbred chihuahua on steroids incapable of living adored by billions.

Here is a comparison:
Borgore - Broken Rulz - allegedly dubstep

I know this is a very radical example,
but this is a very bad sign of what direction dubstep is headed.

100DEADRABBITS - Chaos Emerald - nintendocore


Unfortunately, because I didn't want to grow bored of DMZ, N-Type, 16bit, The Others, etc, I stopped listening to dubstep,
and since these groups/producers rarely released anything lately (except for 16bit) I really didn't have anything to listen to,
so even though I spent an hour searching for the song I heard from Doctor P which I wanted to compare to Clownstep, I couldn't find it.
Not to mention the other few like Nero, who basically make Eurodance without knowing it, and because they need a good excuse to label it dubstep,
they just shamelessly put a simple saw bass on top of everything they make.

Those people who want a dog and end up buying a chihuahua are the kind of people who want to produce dubstep and end up producing:
- Crunk
- Happy hardcore
- Nintendocore
- Nu-metal
- Glitch-hop
- Eurodance
- Speedcore
- Clownstep
- Jump style
or in best case scenario, Grime.

Why is it, that everyone else appears to be able to classify their music as the right genre so easily?
Brosteppers have gotten to a point where it doesn't matter what they snort anymore. it will always be "dirtier than [insert cheesy line here]".

>inb4 troll
>inb4 brostep ≠ dubstep (Yeah, no shit. But then again,
brostep is just as definable as "gorestep" or "filthstep"or any other cheesy shit YT users can come up with.)

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[Sexual_Chocolate]

They completely disobeyed the music style classification system which has worked on every field of music of centuries.
If something had the tempo and rhythm of a style, it belonged to that specific category labeled whatever describes it's contents and characteristics best.

clearly you havent heard of Free Jazz

[the-devo]

They completely disobeyed the music style classification system which has worked on every field of music of centuries.
If something had the tempo and rhythm of a style, it belonged to that specific category labeled whatever describes it's contents and characteristics best.

clearly you havent heard of Free Jazz

http://tinyurl.com/thatdoesnotcompute

Of course I have, but what does all this have to do anything with free jazz?
I think you're missing the point here, as free jazz got a name for itself which makes it quite clear what it's about.

[pkay]

brostep was initially a lulz comment that just caught on. It was never based on anything musically distinctive. That is what I meant.

Trip-hop can be described, nu-jazz can be described. Brostep can't be defined because the connotation wasn't made off of something musical. It was made as a social observance, not a musical description.

It's a vague blanket term defined by the enduser.

[illandnatti]

What I'm trying to say here is that because hip-hop had the advantage of being born before the age of information (the internet),
it had time to develop naturally into the complex subculture it is today. Dubstep didn't have a chance.
It was born as an awesome, deep, subtly frightening style. It then got popular in 2008-2009, and shit just got completely out of hand.
Instead of showing respect to the roots of the style, people just started tearing it up into pieces.
If Hip-Hop is a fully developed husky feared by millions, then Dubstep is the inbred chihuahua on steroids incapable of living adored by billions.

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I've been trying to come up with an example about the state of dubstep for a while now. Now I know what to tell my peers.

[the-devo]

brostep was initially a lulz comment that just caught on. It was never based on anything musically distinctive. That is what I meant.

Trip-hop can be described, nu-jazz can be described. Brostep can't be defined because the connotation wasn't made off of something musical. It was made as a social observance, not a musical description.

It's a vague blanket term defined by the enduser.

I know, and I agree with that. The argument here is not brostep's definition.
The argument here is that brostep producers should back the fuck off and produce whatever they
secretly want to but are afraid they wouldn't succeed unless they labeled it dubstep.

cynicism intended

[the-devo]

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I've been trying to come up with an example about the state of dubstep for a while now. Now I know what to tell my peers.

Glad you agree. =)

[DannyLifted]

so long story short your mad that the average joe can't decipher the different sub genre's of dubstep and classify it all as "Dubstep". This includes certain sub-genre's of dubstep you feel are unworthy of being called Dubstep. Which angers you.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

Of course I have, but what does all this have to do anything with free jazz?
I think you're missing the point here, as free jazz got a name for itself which makes it quite clear what it's about.

exactly.

musicians went and created something outside of the box cuz they were sick of the limitations that were imposed on them. sound familiar?

[the-devo]

so long story short your mad that the average joe can't decipher the different sub genre's of dubstep and classify it all as "Dubstep". This includes certain sub-genre's of dubstep you feel are unworthy of being called Dubstep. Which angers you.

I'm sorry, I didn't make it clear enough.
What pisses me off is the sad fact that apparently what producers do is they start making "common place dubstep"
which is basically inspired by every other dubstep producer they ever heard
and as they go up on the ladder of fame they start twisting their music into something that has been already made and given a name.
But they still call it dubstep misinforming every single person who is a fan of said brostep producer, taking the attention away from
musicians/bands who classified their music correctly.
(While Borgore's blinded fans piss themselves screaming for his track, he's taking a piss on a whole genre.
Like how you took a piss on Industrial, when you knowingly submitted an industrial track you made and labeled it dubstep.)

It's not Nintendocore I want to save here. It's dubstep.

Of course I have, but what does all this have to do anything with free jazz?
I think you're missing the point here, as free jazz got a name for itself which makes it quite clear what it's about.

exactly.

musicians went and created something outside of the box cuz they were sick of the limitations that were imposed on them. sound familiar?

But they didn't take something ready made and label it something else, right?
This is what I'm talking about here.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

But they didn't take something ready made and label it something else, right?
This is what I'm talking about here.

oooh ok. well there ya go, a rant i most likely didnt have to write then haha.

[the-devo]

oooh ok. well there ya go, a rant i most likely didnt have to write then haha.

No problem. I knew it from start, that I failed to make things clear enough.
Probably because english is not my first language plus I haven't slept in like 72+ hours..

[DannyLifted]

But they still call it dubstep misinforming every single person who is a fan of said brostep producer, taking the attention away from
musicians/bands who classified their music correctly..

people call techno trance and trance techno and house techno and techno house and rap hip hop and hip hop rap and metal rock and rock metal and so on and so on. you dont seem them bitching about it.

So not all music is LABELED EXACTLY DOWN TO THE TEE EXACTLY THE WAY IT'S FAN BOYS WANT IT TO BE LABELED. Who gives a fucking fuck stop being a lil biatch

[south3rn]

anyone true music connoisseur will "bitch about it"

the people who never bitch are the ones constantly tuned to the radio and mtv

but that must be the crowd you're going for.

[DannyLifted]

i myself NEVER listen to radio or mtv. But the majority of my checks definitely come from pop and rap music.

[south3rn]

then you definitely have a different perspective than many of us. i was very close to entering the recording industry but stepped back because i couldn't abandon my artistic merit for someone else's gain.

[DannyLifted]

You dont have to abandon your artistic merit for someone else's gain in the recording industry as a free lance producer/artist. Build your buzz up indipendently doing whatever music you want and then cash in

[fractal]

One thread is enough, bad enough it's a twice a month recurring thread...