Why do deep heads seem to hate on the hyped stuff so much?!

[dj $hy]

You know what I'm talking about, "all the noise", "sounds like cats fighting" and so on remarks...

I swear I never read anything along the lines of "oh another repetitive sub" or "another tune with ... space & feeling" but I could be wrong....

Why is that?

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[badger]

classic hipster posturing on the internet about how what you listen to is better than anyone else's taste. personally i agree with most of the remarks but i'm not going to bother wasting my time telling people how much i dislike it

does seem to be pretty one sided most of the time i have to agree, or maybe it's that those people are the loudest

edit: probably one of the things that has a big hand in it is that often (not always) the tearout stuff is produced by new producers with very little talent and who merely copy existing tunes rather than bringing anything new to the table. obviously that can apply equally to any style but it's far more prevalent with hype stuff

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you'll be lucky

[Be-1ne]

I think one of the main problems a lot of people have with the hyped / noisey stuff is there is a lot of it, but not very much of it done well. You could say the same for all styles, but as it is / has been flavour of the month it's a little hard to escape the x amount of posts like this one - http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176553

[dj $hy]

does seem to be pretty one sided most of the time i have to agree, or maybe it's that those people are the loudest


you'll be lucky

This is what I mean! I'm guessing its down to the fact the deeper heads really dont like the harder stuff but (IMO) I like the deeper stuff too just it doesn't fit into what I play so I'm not going to knock it seeing as I grew up to it!

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I know dude but I thought I'd try...!

[brasco]

IMO i find 'deep' etc seems to be quality over quantity, whereas 'noise' is definitely quantity over quality.

[+3]

Because the “deep” sound is the original Dubstep sound. People were passionate about it, because they had an emotional attachment to it. Not just the sound, but the entire experience--the scene--the culture.

I listen to both, but actually prefer neither for my DJ sets.

I choose to play material that’s basically full vocal songs, or popular song remixes: tunes that people outside Dubstep at a party can get into. Give them a rock show feeling. Deep is good for home/car and chill too, & wobble noise fest is usually abrasive to non-dubstep lovers (like the "pots and pans” sound on non-dnb audience).

I go middle ground on purpose, to make the set danceable and feel like a party--after all thats what we’re there to do, but why some people expend so much energy hating on the opposite sub-genre to their tastes is beyond me. Just listen to what you like.

[dj $hy]

I think one of the main problems a lot of people have with the hyped / noisey stuff is there is a lot of it, but not very much of it done well. You could say the same for all styles, but as it is / has been flavour of the month it's a little hard to escape the x amount of posts like this one - http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176553

Agreed! I guess I've just not been on the site much, used to all day everyday cos I could at work but (can you believe it) my last place had it blocked. Started a new job and have been reading most of the posts on here and it just seemed to stick out!

[LA_Boxers]

Yeah you dont ever really hear of people who start of by hearing the more deep side of things suddenly switch over to the filth. Whereas alot of people into the tearout then hear the deeper stuff and switch. I really dont know why, maybe its production value? Maybe its many other reasons?? I personally like both altho am getting into the deeper stuff lately and realising the tearout/filth is cool in small doses however you can enjoy and listen to the deep stuff alot longer.

[Ted-E]

I love deep stuff but i also love all the hype stuff aswell, i don't actually mix or anything yet but if i ever did i reckon i would mix both of it, like i guess any goes that sounds good to me. I guess all the hype stuff doesn't sound good to the deep heads? When it comes to producing, i just make anything i feel like at the time, i have had some really chilled stuff but then again ive made some hype crazy shit. but really i find it silly to post remarks like that cause i mean its not gonna stop so might aswell just get used to the fact that its gonna be around

[dj $hy]

Because the “deep” sound is the original Dubstep sound. People were passionate about it, because they had an emotional attachment to it. Not just the sound, but the entire experience--the scene--the culture.

I listen to both, but actually prefer neither for my DJ sets.

I choose to play material that’s basically full vocal songs, or popular song remixes: tunes that people outside Dubstep at a party can get into. Give them a rock show feeling. Deep is good for home/car and chill too, & wobble noise fest is usually abrasive to non-dubstep lovers (like the "pots and pans” sound on non-dnb audience).

I go middle ground on purpose, to make the set danceable and feel like a party--after all thats what we’re there to do, but why some people expend so much energy hating on the opposite sub-genre to their tastes is beyond me. Just listen to what you like.

I kinda get that but at the same time I dont... I was in Big Apple every day, been going to DMZ since it started - spent years trying to convert my DnB mates to dubstep and back then I'm taking deeeeep dubstep, pre mass days - 3rd bass (out to the family!) but I've come from that very scene you talk about yet (from your point of view) the music I like is seen as 2nd class maybe to a deep head (btw I hate calling ppl deep heads lol!) just because it was there first? We all move forward and some people turn right, some turn left! I dont think its a reason to hate tho...

On yoru mixing note I agree, you can just drop bangers after bangers - people dont just wanna hear the same sounds in different variations! Unless your pre 19 n k'd up lol!

[wilson]

IMO i find 'deep' etc seems to be quality over quantity, whereas 'noise' is definitely quantity over quality.

Definitely this. The hype stuff (but not all of it) is better for business, making money etc. Naturally there needs to be a higher output from each artist because all jump-up tunes lose their novelty quickly. Not hating on jump up by the way, I can enjoy it on a night out so long as that isn't purely what's being played.

[dj $hy]

IMO i find 'deep' etc seems to be quality over quantity, whereas 'noise' is definitely quantity over quality.

Definitely this. The hype stuff (but not all of it) is better for business, making money etc. Naturally there needs to be a higher output from each artist because all jump-up tunes lose their novelty quickly. Not hating on jump up by the way, I can enjoy it on a night out so long as that isn't purely what's being played.

Yeah I mean you cant chill at home and listen to a bit of Funtcase! Personally if I was a promoter I'd throw hyped nights cos that seems to be what the kids want I guess! I've not been to a deeper night in some time now, doing DMZ in March which I'm really looking forward to but not sure if thats more cos its in Dam....

[Widowmaker]

I like all ends of the spectrum as long as it isn't shite!

[pete_bubonic]

I dont think I have heard a brostep tune I like since cockney thug (edit: does eastern jam count? dunno I rated that still). My hangup that stops me getting into this sound, is there's nothing but face value in a lot of these tunes. Kryptic Minds, Breakage and others manage to get hype, aggression and subtleness, the tunes are moody, not just angry. There's story there, emotion I can relate to. I haven't been able to get angry enough to get into the kind of stuff funtcase and skrillex are making since I was 16. And a lot of the time, the tunes DO sound like cats fighting etc. I certainly don't 'hate' on. I'll give anything ago.

[Widowmaker]

I dont think I have heard a brostep tune I like since cockney thug (edit: does eastern jam count? dunno I rated that still). My hangup that stops me getting into this sound, is there's nothing but face value in a lot of these tunes. Kryptic Minds, Breakage and others manage to get hype, aggression and subtleness, the tunes are moody, not just angry. There's story there, emotion I can relate to. I haven't been able to get angry enough to get into the kind of stuff funtcase and skrillex are making since I was 16. And a lot of the time, the tunes sound like cats fighting etc. I certainly don't 'hate' on. I'll give anything ago.

try this?

[AxeD]

classic hipster posturing on the internet about how what you listen to is better than anyone else's taste. personally i agree with most of the remarks but i'm not going to bother wasting my time telling people how much i dislike it

does seem to be pretty one sided most of the time i have to agree, or maybe it's that those people are the loudest

edit: probably one of the things that has a big hand in it is that often (not always) the tearout stuff is produced by new producers with very little talent and who merely copy existing tunes rather than bringing anything new to the table. obviously that can apply equally to any style but it's far more prevalent with hype stuff

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you'll be lucky

So that basically means most of the deeper stuff is good and most of the tear out is bad production.
But I guess the 'brosteppers' could hate on bad quality deep tunes.

[JimmaJamJamie]

I would class myself as a 'Deep Head' but i still enjoy the more tear-out side of the scene. I don't enjoy going to a night where it is constant chainsaw the whole time though, there is no diversity, it just gets boring. A set that builds up to then go into more tear-out tunes is definately the most effect.

Majority of the released brostep tunes are well produced but i think a lot of the hate is due to the fact that the elements of the songs are boring: generic high pitch wobble with a standard kick, snare drum beat.

[dj $hy]

I dont think I have heard a brostep tune I like since cockney thug (edit: does eastern jam count? dunno I rated that still). My hangup that stops me getting into this sound, is there's nothing but face value in a lot of these tunes. Kryptic Minds, Breakage and others manage to get hype, aggression and subtleness, the tunes are moody, not just angry. There's story there, emotion I can relate to. I haven't been able to get angry enough to get into the kind of stuff funtcase and skrillex are making since I was 16. And a lot of the time, the tunes sound like cats fighting etc. I certainly don't 'hate' on. I'll give anything ago.

I guess its chalk n cheese for some, I'm personally enjoy going a bit mad! Then again thats whats always got me with tunes, that shock factor - either deep or hard as funk as long as it makes me go wow its a tune! I have to say I'm surprised not one tune has touched you in all this time?! I don't DJ deep stuff but could real off a number of tracks that I'm currently feeling!

[Tomfooleri]

Yeah you dont ever really hear of people who start of by hearing the more deep side of things suddenly switch over to the filth. Whereas alot of people into the tearout then hear the deeper stuff and switch. I really dont know why, maybe its production value? Maybe its many other reasons?? I personally like both altho am getting into the deeper stuff lately and realising the tearout/filth is cool in small doses however you can enjoy and listen to the deep stuff alot longer.

I'm one of that small minority that started on earlier deeper things back in 07 when I first started listening to dub and dubstep, but doesn't mind a slam of mid range noise every now and again. Pretty much totally agree with you here though, the deeper dubstep tunes definitely you can play for longer, but sometimes a little bit of chaos is a good thing. Its been nice to just watch it evolve and grow, and if it wasn't for some of the filthier stuff that people spam on youtube then I would have alot fewer people to talk about dubstep with, alot of my friends I talk to about deeper things were originally filth mongerers. More people listening to deep dubstep as a result of first hearing some crap remix or a massive jump up circus tune is a good thing though, right?

[dj $hy]

Majority of the released brostep tunes are well produced but i think a lot of the hate is due to the fact that the elements of the songs are boring: generic high pitch wobble with a standard kick, snare drum beat.

I get that though but the same could be said for deep stuff, typical beats, the same old subs? My point I guess when I started this was that you dont read many people saying stuff liek that about deeper stuff yet it could be said in the same way... I mean how many empty sine wav deep tracks have you heard that are just terrible?! Just as much as the hard stuff yet the hype crowd don't seem to hate as much..?!

Funny thing is... The hype crowd seem to mainly be young right, the deeper seems to be older yet its the deep heads that are hating so much, almost acting like children to....children! Kinda funny imo!

BTW bigups, I'm East Sussex!