About dubstep becoming a competition for the biggest drop...

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:47 pm

and the rest of the tunes being just " filler " ( in Kode 9's interview )

Is that true ?

Can you people hear this in dubstep right now ?

Who agrees, disagrees with Kode 9's comments ?

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:53 pm

Pssh, there are other genres MUCH more about the drop than dubstep. Im about just kind of forgetting whats going on, and just kind of zoning out to a skank, occasionaly getting a screwface on when something particularly filthy turns up.

I mean, breakbeat. Jesus. You cant move for drops.

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:01 pm

It's true.

baz · Post by **baz** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:05 pm

it is true innit... don't see much harm in it myself, it's not like much club / dj-centric music has ever been known for it's evolving arrangements or for piles of different sections to a track.

boa · Post by **boa** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:19 pm

Paulie wrote:It's true.

No, it's not.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:29 pm

It's true in my opinion. Definitely with kode on this one.

baz wrote:it is true innit... don't see much harm in it myself, it's not like much club / dj-centric music has ever been known for it's evolving arrangements or for piles of different sections to a track.

What about techno? Possibly the biggest club genre of all time?

Minimal clicky house?

Blue note era jungle had it too.

In fact, I reckon most dance music of any worth has it in spades. And your music is hardly club/dj centric

There's nothing wrong with drop focused music, as long as there's more going on. Personally I hear a lot of producers losing their forward looking edge and making lazy, formulaic music.

There's still a fair amount of good music being made, but obviously as any genre grows you're going to have to take the bad with the good.

baz · Post by **baz** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:46 pm

not sure what you mean ben, most dance music has what in spades? busy non-standard arrangements?

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:53 pm

I thought it was all for ease of mixing, whether the drop's heavily accentuated or not is a different matter and down to the dj surely?

It's nice to break things down once in a while, but I think it's different in minimal techno and those sorts of genres as it's not necessarily about stopping everything and getting an impact, but allowing the new tune to come in with minimum clashes with the previous tune but keeping a continuous flow.

Don't remember the original dubstep as being so much like this - think it's more of a dnb influence - seem to remember far too many 8 hour drops there and being bored shitless waiting for the riddim to come back. "Progressive" house seems to be just as into it's do fuck all for five minute moments.

Do agree it's lazy arrangement, but producers, dj's and crowds love it generally. I'd rather hear as few drops as possible, keep it more hip hop

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:04 pm

baz wrote:not sure what you mean ben, most dance music has what in spades? busy non-standard arrangements?

Just a bit of progression

Not necessarily busy arrangements at all, just ones that hold your attention.. rather than just 64 bars of intro, drop, 32 bar breakdown, same drop, outro. All loopy and stale..

Whether or not a tune drops or not isn't really the issue, it's what's going on around it, if anything. Nothing wrong with being a drop junky, most people are.. there just needs to be something to hold my interest after the adrenaline rush

tom_bass · Post by **tom_bass** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:39 pm

yea i luv dem DMZ trax which have 16 bar intros. it's like saying "hi, this is a murder tune", and then cuttin straight to the chase. no BS, straight up, 'lay it on 'em' bizniss.

and when that bass drops, it wreaks havoc

plume · Post by **plume** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:19 am

UFO over easy wrote: Nothing wrong with being a drop junky, most people are.. there just needs to be something to hold my interest after the adrenaline rush

exactly!

sek [espionage] · Post by **sek [espionage]** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:48 am

i can see it happnin' a bit..
not very cool, lots of big drops cheese things out a bit imo.

roll it out like techno i say!

parson · Post by **parson** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:07 am

drops are fr people lookin for rewinds

personally rewinds annoy the shit out of me unless its like maybe one or two a night and the crowd is DEMANDING it

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:10 am

Parson wrote:drops are fr people lookin for rewinds

personally rewinds annoy the shit out of me unless its like maybe one or two a night and the crowd is DEMANDING it

You've obviously never been to DMZ

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:17 am

tom_bass wrote:yea i luv dem DMZ trax which have 16 bar intros. it's like saying "hi, this is a murder tune", and then cuttin straight to the chase. no BS, straight up, 'lay it on 'em' bizniss.

and when that bass drops, it wreaks havoc

Coki trademark.

I think some artists are competing to get the biggest drop and that inevitably others will get swept up in the race unless DJs fight against the tide by playing other stuff. Just gotta wonder if the more eclectic stuff that isn't all about the drop like Cay's Crays would get played if it wasn't by Mala...

ten city · Post by **ten city** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:58 am

truth ?...you can't handle the truth. Do I make my self clear ?...crystal

break it down for me one time...uh !

What makes cays crays is Dallas's vox. Dukie is butter.

diablo · Post by **diablo** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:25 am

sek [espionage] wrote:
roll it out like techno i say!

I couldn't say it better if i tried

I love the tunes that slowly drill into your head!!

Punisher VIP comes to mind as a good example.

pompende · Post by **pompende** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:37 am

Fushimi wrote: inevitably others will get swept up in the race unless DJs fight against the tide by playing other stuff. Just gotta wonder if the more eclectic stuff that isn't all about the drop like Cay's Crays would get played if it wasn't by Mala...

that one does have sick drop tho still.

^yeah its all about the creeper riddims. neverland took quite a few listens before it revealed itself to me. temptation another good example. actually i was having a listen to root recently and really noticed a lot of deeper aspects to it that i had not appreciated.

david_m · Post by **david_m** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:48 am

Yeah, drops are an important thing in dubstep, as in most dance music genres. Not sure if it's good or not, sometimes it's more annoying, sometimes not that much.

But "becoming"???? it was there since the beggining, I don't see it more than I did a few years ago. I mean, check out the early Horsepower or Ghost stuff, most of it have that intro-drop-breakdown-drop-outro structure, same as early DMZ (thinking about Da Wrath VIP and Horrorshow now), early Soulja, even the older Kode9 stuff, I mean, check out Sign Of The Dub, Kingstown, the original Fat Larry's Skank, Ping, Subkontinent... that if we don't look at the garage stuff of Steve Gurley, etc. I mean, yeah, I'm with him, the drop thing can become tedious, but it's not a new thing, or something that has started lately.

By the way, where's that interview to see the context where he said it?

tom_bass · Post by **tom_bass** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:53 am

pompende wrote:. neverland took quite a few listens before it revealed itself to me.

neverland for me was love at first site

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