...HATTON...

mungo · Post by **mungo** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:51 pm

Remember its Hatton V Juan Urango tonight in Vegas..
And Junior Witter v Arturo Morua in London..

The wittet v arturo fight is going to be a great challenge for the both of em...

Going to be big night for boxing....

keep it clean...

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:16 pm

yes yes, cant wait !!!
love boxing...

i think hatton is gonna get upset tonight, he is not the champ...but i think hes looking past this dude.

maybe not ! ha...should be fun though

mungo · Post by **mungo** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:47 pm

well done to the Witter... not to tidy but job done....
well done to the Hatton.. not to tidy but job done...

So what say 'Witter v Hatton'.... Hmmmmm thats a British challenge I know will be worth a viewing...

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:29 pm

yeah, hatton looked good.

j dub u · Post by **j dub u** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:09 am

MUNGO wrote:well done to the Witter... not to tidy but job done....
well done to the Hatton.. not to tidy but job done...

So what say 'Witter v Hatton'.... Hmmmmm thats a British challenge I know will be worth a viewing...

Never happen mate Hatton even said it. Looks past him unless he gets another 5/10 fights under his belt aint gana happen.

But still the Hitman actually "Hit the Man" hard not knocked out or really any solid blows i thought. Next time i hope he packs some more punch like he used to. Still good fight though.

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:57 pm

Marsyas wrote:yes yes, cant wait !!!
love boxing...

i think hatton is gonna get upset tonight, he is not the champ...but i think hes looking past this dude.

maybe not ! ha...should be fun though

Another thing we have in common. I also -- love boxing.

The first fight.....that was close and honestly, i think it was a draw as Harold Lederman scored it. Look at the scorecards..

115 - 113 - Castillo.
115 - 113 - Ngoudjo
115 - 113 - Castillo.

12 round fight...that means 7 rounds to 5. If one judge or any of the judges has a change of heart and scores round in favor of the other fighter on any scorecard, the fight would have been scored a draw.

I wouldnt have had an issue with this at all.

Hatton looked ok. He's clearly the best in the world @ 140. We'll see where he goes from here.

Since we're talking boxing.....

1. May 5 At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr., 12 rounds, for De La Hoya's WBC junior middleweight title. Oscar had trouble with Bernard Hopkins and as a result....got ko'd. What's he gonna do against a better, faster version of B-HOP? Mayweather beats him like a drum.

But -- what if ODLH wins? Are we talking about him as being the best boxer since Sugar Ray Leonard? He's lost 4 fights, once to Bernard Hopkins (who is regarded as one of the three best middleweights ever), twice to Shane Mosley and Felix Trinidad (Oscar was screwed by the refs in this one). Look at the list of hall of fame fighters he's beaten.....It's worth a look.

2. March 17 At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, 12 rounds, for Barrera's WBC junior lightweight title.
This fight is big for a lot of reasons....the winner of Marquez/Barrera has to fight Pacquaio and that equals BIG MONEY.

If Barrera wins....he's the underdog against Manny.

If Marquez wins...he's probably the favorite.

It's difficult to say how the first fight between Marquez and Pacquaio would have turned out if the first round wasnt so terrible for Marquez...but let's say he only gets knocked down twice instead of the three times he was put on his ass by Pacquaio...what would the scorecards have looked like?

The fight resulted in a draw....these were the official scorecards.
Judge 1: Draw, 113 - 113.
Judge 2: Marquez, 115 - 110.
Judge 3: Pacquaio, 115 - 110.

If it was two knockdowns....instead of three
Judge 1: 114 - 112. Marquez
Judge 2: 116 - 109. Marquez
Judge 3: 114 - 111. Pacquaio

If it was one knockdown.
Judge 1: 115 - 111. Marquez
Judge 2: 117 - 108. Marquez. <- Think about this score. Even though there was a knockdown by Manny (i.e., a 10- 9 round) there would have to be a 9 -9 round or a 10 - 8 round for Marguez somewhere in the fight. Interesting.
Judge 3: 113 - 112. Pacquaio

Either way....it's a split decision win for Marquez. I remember watching this fight and outside of the first three minutes...Marquez really dominated this fight.

3. What's next for Winky Wright? Sure -- no one wants to fight him. He's a southpaw. He hits hard. He's very good defensively. Does he get the winner of Mayweather/DeLaHoya? Could he put on 8 pounds and fight Jeff Lacy or the king of 168, the Welshman, Joe Calzaghe? How about a rematch against Jermain Taylor outside of Taylor's home state of Arkansas? He's been too skilled and too professional for too long to not get a big money fight against a bigger name. He'd give either fighter (Mayweather/DeLaHoya) fits.

4. Where is Glen Johnson? He beats up Roy Jones. He beats Antonio Tarver. Sure -- he lost a rematch a few months later to Tarver...but we havent heard from him.

enough from me.....i'm rambling.

poax · Post by **poax** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:59 pm

go on joe!!

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:06 pm

joenice wrote:Where is Glen Johnson?

in B&Q on a regs it seems!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... all119.xml

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:24 am

wow joe, dont even know how to respond !!

i agree, the first match should have been a draw, i even had Ngoudjo a few points ahead in my head...

delahoya should get romped, but if mayweather has another "hand" problem it could be tricky !! look forward to that division minus delahoya actually.

i would put money on Pacquaio winning any fight within 10 pounds of his weight division, the crowd gets so hype when that guy fights, and he feeds of it so well.the momentum would be overwhelming for anyone
ie: his last fight making morales look silly.

i would feel pretty comfortable saying the same thing about calzaghe, i thought lacey would put up a much better fight. i am really curious to see what calzaghe does next.

i love boxing, my only gripe is, i wish it where more accsessible.
you either need to have cable, or shell out bucks to see ppv to catch the good fights...kind of limiting !! they should try to draw in fans by having some kind of show on a basic channel on saturday nights. i swear i remember nbc used to have boxing on occasionally right?

i think it would be a good idea..

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:14 pm

Marsyas wrote:delahoya should get romped, but if mayweather has another "hand" problem it could be tricky !! look forward to that division minus delahoya actually.

This is probably the reason Mayweather has the fight scheduled for May 5. If there's any "hand" issues...they'll be cleared up by the fight. Plus....Mayweather's brittle hand (from what i remember) is his left hand. Mayweather is a conventional fighter that really doesnt jab a whole lot...he likes to throw the hook and pound his opponents with right hand leads. As sad as this was for me....i think we all saw what Mayweather did to Gatti a while ago. Gatti was target practice for Floyd. Granted, ODLH does more to avoid punches than Gatti, but speed is speed and Mayweather is as fast as it gets. In terms of pure hand speed....he's the fastest since Sugar Ray Leonard.

Marsyas wrote:i would put money on Pacquaio winning any fight within 10 pounds of his weight division, the crowd gets so hype when that guy fights, and he feeds of it so well.the momentum would be overwhelming for anyone ie: his last fight making morales look silly.

See -- that's just it. When that first fight with Marquez took place, i didnt think Marquez would win...or...really be competitive at all. But, Marquez has a very technical style that seems to work against just about everyone. The last time Marquez fought was on HBO against another Filipino southpaw named Jimrex Jaca. Marquez remained fundamentall sound, circled to his left and began to pepper Jaca with counter right hands to earn the KO.

This does three things:

1. Neutralizes Jaca's jab.

2. Allows Marquez to throw enough jabs to maintain distance between him and Jaca.

3. Counter right hands down the middle are available.

In the Marquez/Pacquiao fight...this is exactly what happened. I can see it happening again.

The Barrera loss really doesnt surprise me. Barrera lost twice to a fighter named Junior Jones...who, much like Pacquaio, liked to pressure his opponents. Morales...same thing. I'm sure you remember the Barrera/Morales trilogy. All three fights were wars...and Barrera won two of the three. Maybe Barrera has issues with southpaw fighters...(Morales, Pacquaio). We know the one fighter that's not really up for any of these fights...and that's Morales. He's been in trilogies against Barrera and Pacquiao...coming up short both times. He's been a great champion and let's put this in perspective....the Barrera/Morales trilogy would have been enough to cement his place in the Hall of Fame. He then decides to fight Pacquaio three times. Nuff said about how tough that guy is. Plus -- if the Gatti/Ward trilogy never happens, the Barrera / Morales trilogy is the best trilogy of this century and easily the best 3 fights since Holyfield/Bowe.

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:26 am

joenice wrote:3. What's next for Winky Wright? Sure -- no one wants to fight him. He's a southpaw. He hits hard. He's very good defensively. Does he get the winner of Mayweather/DeLaHoya? Could he put on 8 pounds and fight Jeff Lacy or the king of 168, the Welshman, Joe Calzaghe? How about a rematch against Jermain Taylor outside of Taylor's home state of Arkansas? He's been too skilled and too professional for too long to not get a big money fight against a bigger name. He'd give either fighter (Mayweather/DeLaHoya) fits.

Check THIS.

Hopkins v. Winky Wright. July 21. Thoughts on this?

I dont know who wins this fight....but i'm excited to see it. On the surface, you'd think it's a boring fight....given Hopkins' laid-back style and Wright's defense-first philosophy, but in all reality -- this fight should be an upper level education in the "sweet science"...sort of like DeLaHoya v Mosley I. First one to 10 punches landed might win the round...or the fight !

This is gonna be good....

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:42 pm

joenice wrote:
joenice wrote:3. What's next for Winky Wright? Sure -- no one wants to fight him. He's a southpaw. He hits hard. He's very good defensively. Does he get the winner of Mayweather/DeLaHoya? Could he put on 8 pounds and fight Jeff Lacy or the king of 168, the Welshman, Joe Calzaghe? How about a rematch against Jermain Taylor outside of Taylor's home state of Arkansas? He's been too skilled and too professional for too long to not get a big money fight against a bigger name. He'd give either fighter (Mayweather/DeLaHoya) fits.
Check THIS.

Hopkins v. Winky Wright. July 21. Thoughts on this?

I dont know who wins this fight....but i'm excited to see it. On the surface, you'd think it's a boring fight....given Hopkins' laid-back style and Wright's defense-first philosophy, but in all reality -- this fight should be an upper level education in the "sweet science"...sort of like DeLaHoya v Mosley I. First one to 10 punches landed might win the round...or the fight !

This is gonna be good....

Very Interesting, will be waiting intently for this one to happen !
hopkins must be getting paaaaid.

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:37 pm

Marsyas wrote:
joenice wrote:
joenice wrote:3. What's next for Winky Wright? Sure -- no one wants to fight him. He's a southpaw. He hits hard. He's very good defensively. Does he get the winner of Mayweather/DeLaHoya? Could he put on 8 pounds and fight Jeff Lacy or the king of 168, the Welshman, Joe Calzaghe? How about a rematch against Jermain Taylor outside of Taylor's home state of Arkansas? He's been too skilled and too professional for too long to not get a big money fight against a bigger name. He'd give either fighter (Mayweather/DeLaHoya) fits.
Check THIS.

Hopkins v. Winky Wright. July 21. Thoughts on this?

I dont know who wins this fight....but i'm excited to see it. On the surface, you'd think it's a boring fight....given Hopkins' laid-back style and Wright's defense-first philosophy, but in all reality -- this fight should be an upper level education in the "sweet science"...sort of like DeLaHoya v Mosley I. First one to 10 punches landed might win the round...or the fight !

This is gonna be good....
Very Interesting, will be waiting intently for this one to happen !
hopkins must be getting paaaaid.

Oh yeah....10 million or more !

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