grime vs uk hip hop

Off Topic (Everything besides dubstep)
Forum rules
Please read and follow this sub-forum's specific rules listed HERE, as well as our sitewide rules listed HERE.

Link to the Secret Ninja Sessions community ustream channel - info in this thread

grime or uk hip hop?

grime
34
72%
uk hip hop
13
28%
 
Total votes: 47

User avatar
d-T-r
Posts: 2856
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:09 pm
Location: syntax
Contact:

grime vs uk hip hop

Post by d-T-r » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:24 am

obviously there will never be a "winner"

not that i dont like abit of grime here and there but i was wondering:

why is that grime has recently been getting alot more wide-spread attention and become so much more popular than uk hip hop when some of the uk hip hop out there is undeniably a million times deeper and more likely to be touchin upon more serious subjects?

why the fuck would i wanna listen to someone telling me how good their 'flow' is for 4 minutes. i know thats abit of a generalization but so much of it is built on those foundations. hype hype, fucking hype. repetitive hook,repetitive hook.rah rah, blah blah, rah rah, fucking blah.

dont get me wrong im not hating on anyone's musical taste cos that wouldn't be fair and i know there are some decent acts out there but it seems all the deeper intellectual shit isnt receiving the attention it needs.

saying that, i know people don't wanna be listening to stuff that makes you actually think...

thats my moan over...

pretty sure this revolution won't be televised on channel U :lol:
Soundcloud

Tumblrrr Etsyyy
_ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __

Lurka
>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
Posts: 1670
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:22 pm
Location: Bristol

Post by Lurka » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:32 am

grime, but i dont know enough bout uk hip hop tbh, probably would like it but cant stand when they try to emulate us rap which is the impression i get form it, or when some uk hip hop mcs try to act deeper and more intellectual than they actually are, and if i hear one more line that has the words "struggle" or "grind" in it i will kill maself!!! :D

User avatar
d-T-r
Posts: 2856
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:09 pm
Location: syntax
Contact:

Post by d-T-r » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:38 am

trigga!!! wrote:grime, but i dont know enough bout uk hip hop tbh, probably would like it but cant stand when they try to emulate us rap which is the impression i get form it, or when some uk hip hop mcs try to act deeper and more intellectual than they actually are, and if i hear one more line that has the words "struggle" or "grind" in it i will kill maself!!! :D
fair play man. not sure what you mean about them trying to emulate you rap. (assuming you mean rap in a grimey fashion) mainly cos uk hip hop has been around a hell of alot longer than grime/garage/dnb etc so if anyone was actually emulating it would be the other way round imo..... i wouldnt say ukhh was emulating grime and i wouldn't say grime was emulating ukhh. two different entities...obviously you got similar elements within both but you can always generally tell the difference.
Soundcloud

Tumblrrr Etsyyy
_ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __

Lurka
>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
Posts: 1670
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:22 pm
Location: Bristol

Post by Lurka » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:45 am

nananananana i got it wrong mate i cant stand it when you bung on channel u and theres a crew rappin in hushed tones trying to be 'ard like fiddy cent but look like wace!! lol can you recommend some good uk hip hop for us as i am sure it would appeal to me as i understand what ure saying bout monotonous grime chattin bout how "my flow is gonna blow, make my name in this game" that has to be the most used line in grime ahahahahha:6:

User avatar
d-T-r
Posts: 2856
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:09 pm
Location: syntax
Contact:

Post by d-T-r » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:04 pm

yeah dont get me started on fiddy!!! well theres shit loads of ukhh out there to get into. some i'd personally reccomend:

taskforce
braintax
skinnyman
(or any of the low life records stuff)
London posee (old school ukhh)
roots manuva
verb t
harry love
L man (bit of grimey style in there--might have been on ch u not sure)
Blak twang
Yungun
Jehst
Aspects
Demon boyz (million dan aswell )
Blade
Klashnekoff
lewis parker

these are aonly a few i can think of to name and not even touching on the deeper underground cats out there yet ;)

hope this helps!
Soundcloud

Tumblrrr Etsyyy
_ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __

thomas
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:46 pm
Location: Liverpool

Post by thomas » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:04 pm

UK Hip Hop if only for the few artists i still listen too

Braintax
Cappo
Scorz-say-zee
London Possee
Krispy 3
Broke n English
Skrein

Ok, there is more than i thought but i'll stop there.

for the record though, i hate comparing Grime to Hip Hop...ones Garage and ones Folk.

griffskiii
Posts: 69
Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:15 am
Location: Crewe

Post by griffskiii » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:17 pm

Grime each and every time peeps!

Maybe said hip hop anything other than 2 years ago but its gotta be Grimlle all the way!!!!!!

User avatar
tempest
Posts: 2258
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 12:00 am
Location: NSW, Australia

Post by tempest » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:11 pm

Jehst, Roots, Task Force........................ Grime is good but i'd have to say ukhh has given me much more pleasure

jim
Posts: 1491
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: The Neverland Ranch
Contact:

Post by jim » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:23 pm

Don't mind Roots Manuva and some other things but actually actively like quite a few grime things (and regularly sport a Boy Better Know t-shirt :)), though I'm not a massive fan in general, so grime for me.

User avatar
optimum
Posts: 1297
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:16 pm
Location: South London
Contact:

Post by optimum » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:37 am

A lot of ukhh is really boring, 'trying to make a boom bap beat like in 1994'. backward looking, same flow, unoriginal style. To my ears, it hasn't really progressed over the years, and it's in danger of becoming increasingly irrelevant. Only a few good acts out there.
Light Year/DS10 HBR002 (Hum + Buzz) OUT NOW
Broken Embrace NSWL006 (Night Slugs) OUT NOW
Max Power/Crash Riddim/Lily ZIQ283 (Planet Mu) OUT NOW
http://listn.to/optimum
http://twitter.com/optimum_beats

thomas
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:46 pm
Location: Liverpool

Post by thomas » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:00 pm

optimum wrote:A lot of ukhh is really boring, 'trying to make a boom bap beat like in 1994'. backward looking, same flow, unoriginal style. To my ears, it hasn't really progressed over the years, and it's in danger of becoming increasingly irrelevant. Only a few good acts out there.
Yep,

My list of artists who are highly relevant today (although i like allot of boom bap sounding stuff)

Cappo - Spaz The World
Braintax - Panorama
Broke N English - Subject to Status
Dr Syntax - Self-taught

I would highly recommend them 4

corpsey
Posts: 5995
Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 2:16 am

Re: grime vs uk hip hop

Post by corpsey » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:16 pm

dTruk wrote:
why is that grime has recently been getting alot more wide-spread attention and become so much more popular than uk hip hop when some of the uk hip hop out there is undeniably a million times deeper and more likely to be touchin upon more serious subjects?

why the fuck would i wanna listen to someone telling me how good their 'flow' is for 4 minutes. i know thats abit of a generalization but so much of it is built on those foundations. hype hype, fucking hype. repetitive hook,repetitive hook.rah rah, blah blah, rah rah, fucking blah.
I don't see how a tune being deep and serious is necessarily going to make it more popular. If anything it's likely to alienate a wider audience if you do have 'intellectual' lyrics. I think there's a few reasons why grime is more popular than UK Hip-Hop. Although obviously grime comes out of US Hip-Hop and UK Hip-Hop, it also comes from Jungle and Garage, and I think that makes it at least seem a fresher and more British form of music.

From a personal perspective I find UK Hip-Hop generally a bit dry. The production doesn't often seem to be that interesting and neither do the flows/styles of the MCs. You can say someone like Jehst is ''deep'' but a lot of the tunes I've heard by him have been variations on the same ''I'm living in a depressing city but at least I can visualise ultrasonic rainbows'' theme. And I've heard so much UK Hip-Hop which has been telling you how good someone's flow is for four minutes- so much Hip-Hop in general, in fact. Don't really see what's wrong with that, by the way. You can say the most interesting things in the world but if you do it in a boring way over a boring beat nobody is going to give a fuck.

Don't get me wrong I like some UK Hip-Hop- I think Chester is amazing, for example. Perhaps its something to do with the angle from which you approach either genre. When I was just into hip-hop I probably would have preferred UK Hip-Hop, now I'm more into garage/dnb etc. I think I appreciate grime more.

User avatar
d-T-r
Posts: 2856
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:09 pm
Location: syntax
Contact:

Re: grime vs uk hip hop

Post by d-T-r » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:11 pm

yeah man i agree. I never said that a tune being deeper would make it more popular. obviously it's the complete opposite but you gotta think to yourself why that is. obviously its all down to the listener and what they personally want from music. and yes, grime is alot 'fresher' as far as how long its been around goes. im completely down for innovating music and im not sayin that grime isnt, im just saying that its not reaching its full potential just yet.

im not tellin anyone what they should or shouldnt listen to. i do indeed listen to abit of grime but im just sayin, like alot of uk hip hop aswell, alot of it has no actual substance anymore. To be honest its pretty much the same with most genres of music out there now. The majority of dnb has become so formulated now days that every other tune seems to sound the same. (this is comin from someone who predominately makes dnb)

put yourself in true artist/musician's point of view and ask yourself;

'why is that all of the acts that express their individuality, and move away from the stereotypes within the scene, get less coverage than those sticking to the patterns that have come to define it?'

its like you either gotta conform and be the same as everyone else whilst sacrificing your musical creativity to gain any type of "success" or recognition. you either do that or you think fuck it---- i might as well at least try to bring something new to the table. if i fail at least i tried.

at the end of the day, not to sound like a complete twat ,its that way of thinkin that separates the "poets and producers" from the mc's and beatmakers etc.

same overall track template,same ideas,same concepts,same basslines,same clap sound/snare same presets same everything and yet it seems that because there is so much of this stuff it becomes more widely acceptable. not just in music either.this kind shit appears all over in life


i just beg for a few more people to break the mold. 'too many sheep not enough shepards'
"nahh im not a sheep i dont listen to mainstream music, i keep it underground" .....from one herd to another basically.

maybe its cos grime came from the streets. gritty accounts of real life experiences. grime doesnt wanna be arty. grime wants to be grime.cant deny the honesty and intentions behind the music which is probably what makes grime the way it is. same characteristics that make any genre what it is.

i just think when it comes to any kind of self development in music/art/love/culture/life you need to loosen the restraints you tied yourself into.

...plus im fed up of hearin 'amateur' grime tunes from mobile phone speakers on the bus :lol:
Soundcloud

Tumblrrr Etsyyy
_ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __ ___ _ __

User avatar
feasible_weasel
Posts: 5637
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:07 am

Post by feasible_weasel » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:37 pm

:) essentially they are different genres of music
UK Hip-Hop is Based On US Rap,and resembles pack-back rap. or its a shit rip-off of stuff like dipset lol.

Grime is from Drum n Bass and Garage,it has a faster pace,and higher bass low frequency's. Grime is essentially like Dancehall.
but some also try to do dipset impressions *cough* the movement.

Grime is more fun 8)
Macabre Unit Image

virus human race
Posts: 128
Joined: Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:47 pm
Location: Newcastle

Re: grime vs uk hip hop

Post by virus human race » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:57 pm

dTruk wrote:why the fuck would i wanna listen to someone telling me how good their 'flow' is for 4 minutes. i know thats abit of a generalization but so much of it is built on those foundations. hype hype, fucking hype. repetitive hook,repetitive hook.rah rah, blah blah, rah rah, fucking blah.
I love hype and repetitive hooks :lol:

Braindead shit is the best.

Saying that some of the shit Ghetto for instance comes out with (some of his bars, not Ghetto Gospel uurrgh, what happened there?) blows any uk hiphop out of the water for sheer inventiveness, mixed with an invective fury leftfield hiphop is missin
Last edited by virus human race on Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I only smoke weed when I need to,
And I need to get some rest,
I confess, I burnt a hole in the mattress,
Yes, yes, it was me, I plead guilty
I cant get no sleep

User avatar
frebentos
Posts: 3961
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:15 pm
Location: Glasgow/London

Post by frebentos » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:04 pm

dTruk wrote: taskforce
braintax
skinnyman
(or any of the low life records stuff)
London posee (old school ukhh)
roots manuva
verb t
harry love
L man (bit of grimey style in there--might have been on ch u not sure)
Blak twang
Yungun
Jehst
Aspects
Demon boyz (million dan aswell )
Blade
Klashnekoff
lewis parker
UK Hip hop all the way, again ,I am not putting down peoples musical tastes, but I dont really dig the "Grime MC" I too find it a bit repetitive and rough. Dont get me wrong, there are good acts out there but a lot of it seems really samey.

I listen to a lot of UK stuff, I fully respect and listen to all the artists quoted above, one you failed to mention though was Mr Manage, who's lyricism is unbelievable, if your into UK stuff chekc out his album "Live in Protest", you wont be dissapointed.

User avatar
lloydnoise
Posts: 3175
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:28 am
Location: Bengal
Contact:

Post by lloydnoise » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:52 am

feasible_weasel wrote: Grime is more fun 8)
yeh. and grime is also funny. Hiphop is just a bit stale nowadays, UK or otherwise.
parson wrote:the way you cure disease with lsd is by manipulating the matrix with your mind

[\*/]

tronman
Posts: 2925
Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:08 pm
Location: snare and clap country

Post by tronman » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:03 pm

uk hh is alright, some of it, jehsts got some amazin imagery. taskfore same. harry loves beats are bad, gangster chronicles is a classic, roots manuva etc.

braintax though, god, what a bloody moaner. :lol:
M: http://www.myspace.com/1mandj
T: http://www.twitter.com/djoneman
AIM : onemanselector
Soundcloud
more snares

***RINSE 11 MIXED BY ONEMAN OUT MARCH 1st 2010 !!!***

User avatar
cogi
Posts: 510
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:08 pm
Location: Leeds/London >> Los Angeles

Post by cogi » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:08 pm

ukhh is better for a proper listen.

Grime is rave music, not many Grime artists could or have made a decent album like ukhh artists can.

And not many Grime artists say anything worth remembering.

I do love Grime though, there's nothing like a good Newham set but it's just completely different to ukhh.
70% Of People On Forums Are Donuts I Swear. Constantly Contradicting Themselves And Acting Like Sheep.

retrofreak
Posts: 8
Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:42 pm
Contact:

Post by retrofreak » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:55 am

I prefer old skool UK Hip Hop like:

Hijack and Demon Boyz

If anything Grime reminds me of those times when the beats had "energy and rhythm"
When everyone was trying to make hype beats that compared to "Wrath of Kane" and "Set it off"

I think current UK Hip Hop has intelligent lyrics but NO rhythm and that's whats holding it back IMO.

The Kids wanna dance they don't want the secrets of the universe.

I'm gonna go with Grime, because Ghetto and Goodz would eat most rappers in the UK.
http://www.ukrecordshop.com/shop/catalog/
Durrty_Goodz__Axiom_EP_p_20475.html

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests