Yeah ableton really didn't put a lot of effort on this release, I've been on the beta for quite a while and its not that great, there some nice things like the glue and the convolution reverb but this just feels like an 8.5, and if you take account that this took 3 years its just ridiculous, people ...

Here's a recent growl I made using the fm8 demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... Fy-6Bz7T8Y