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Postby justinamster » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:20 am

having one sub is a common sense but
how about the mid range and high range bass ??

for example i tried after watching flux pavilion bass tutorial and datsik bass tutorial on youtube
when i resample two bass lines i made from watching those videos with a sub , it sounds horrible
any tips ?

also when im resampling, should i just resample simple notes without lfos?? since after i resampled it and put it through ableton's simpler LFO, it gets muddy
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Postby wub » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:26 am

justinamster wrote:having one sub is a common sense but
how about the mid range and high range bass ??

for example i tried after watching flux pavilion bass tutorial and datsik bass tutorial on youtube
when i resample two bass lines i made from watching those videos with a sub , it sounds horrible
any tips ?

also when im resampling, should i just resample simple notes without lfos?? since after i resampled it and put it through ableton's simpler LFO, it gets muddy



It's just a case of practice, practice, practice I'm afraid. If you've got the basics from the videos, then keep trying different variations on a them until you get something that is workable.

There are one or two links here that might be helpful if you want further reading;

Bass - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=179986#p2204163

Resampling - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=180154#p2206342
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Postby justinamster » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:25 am

saw the bass thread hundred times since ive been reading the production bible for months now but never saw the huge resampling threads links! Thanks
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Postby Recessive Trait » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:46 pm

justinamster wrote:high range bass ??
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Postby zerbaman » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:47 pm

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Postby Frontbot » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:00 pm

hey there,

you need to seperate the freuqncies properly and make sure that there is room for all basses, snare (200hz punch) and the kick.
make sure that your basses don't layer in frequencies. for example do it like this: sub bass 30-90 hz, mid bass 90-300 hz and a cut at around 200 hz for the snare plop.
Something I do usually: Route basses to a group, add a compressor and side-chain the bass group slightly with the kick.
another tipp: cut out the deep bass of the kick with a lowcut at around 60-70 hz.

hope this helps!
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Postby blankaa » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:37 pm

Frontbot wrote:hey there,

you need to seperate the freuqncies properly and make sure that there is room for all basses, snare (200hz punch) and the kick.
make sure that your basses don't layer in frequencies. for example do it like this: sub bass 30-90 hz, mid bass 90-300 hz and a cut at around 200 hz for the snare plop.
Something I do usually: Route basses to a group, add a compressor and side-chain the bass group slightly with the kick.
another tipp: cut out the deep bass of the kick with a lowcut at around 60-70 hz.

hope this helps!
Cheers

Sorry mate, but I don't fully understand how to do this, a mate of mine sent me a file telling what frequencies to cut all my different elements at but I don't have any understanding of how to do it, would I use a graphic eq or something along those lines? would you mind explaining it to me because i think it would make a serious difference to my tunes...cheers budd
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Postby benjam » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:53 pm

Filters, parametric EQs and get voxengo SPAN its a free spectrum analyzer so you can see what your doing.
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Postby lyons238 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:56 pm

Frontbot wrote:hey there,

you need to seperate the freuqncies properly and make sure that there is room for all basses, snare (200hz punch) and the kick.
make sure that your basses don't layer in frequencies. for example do it like this: sub bass 30-90 hz, mid bass 90-300 hz and a cut at around 200 hz for the snare plop.
Something I do usually: Route basses to a group, add a compressor and side-chain the bass group slightly with the kick.
another tipp: cut out the deep bass of the kick with a lowcut at around 60-70 hz.

hope this helps!
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this is good info. thanks
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Postby stereotactic » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:58 pm

Basically you want to route the bass channel to three (that's just the common number) aux channels, label them hi, mid and low then split the frequencies accordingly i.e. aux 1 - low, so cut/low pass at around 90 hz using either a filter or parametric EQ, aux 2 - mid, bandpass between 90 & 500 hz for example, so on and so forth.

Also make sure you set the original channel doesn't have a stereo output i.e. isn't going to the master out, so the whole signal goes through your aux busses. Personally I then route those three aux busses into a forth buss to 'reform' the bass line.

So, create 3 aux busses - route bass channel via sends to each of the three busses - insert a filter/EQ to each channel an cut low, mid and hi appropriately - don't forget to make sure the original channel is ONLY running through the aux's, not out - and finally, if you want to, route those three busses to a fourth buss.

After you have the basic set up, you can then go mad with effects etc on the mid's and hi's, and get creative.

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Postby fragments » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:58 pm

Do really want to compress bass? I've heard a lot of people say this a huge no no? Could be wrong...
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Postby code505 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:32 pm

Compress bass if it sounds good. Sub bass needs to be side-chain compressed if it falls on the kicks (imo it sounds cleaner cause the kick+bass can muddy up the track).

From listenin to tons of 'brostep' it sounds like theres not just bass but some melody in there too so maybe they make the melody line and then resample and drop a few parts down an octave to play back and forth between a nice melody and dirty bass (feed me and skrillex got this down pat). Robyn - Call Your Girlfriend (Feed Me Remix) sounds like that. Btw amazing track, on repeat all day :D
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Postby hifi » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:33 pm

justinamster wrote:having one sub is a common sense but
how about the mid range and high range bass ??

for example i tried after watching flux pavilion bass tutorial and datsik bass tutorial on youtube
when i resample two bass lines i made from watching those videos with a sub , it sounds horrible
any tips ?

also when im resampling, should i just resample simple notes without lfos?? since after i resampled it and put it through ableton's simpler LFO, it gets muddy


are you using massive? just put up the unison a couple voices to beef up the sound. And brostep? wtf? no such thing it's all dubstep. what kind of genre is called f**king brostep?
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Postby __________ » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:53 pm

You don't need a sub for brostep.
Just layer up 5 or 6 different instances of Massive and high-pass filter the master bass channel at around 100Hz.
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Postby lyons238 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:17 pm

yeah i honestly hate this whole sub genre shit with dubstep lol. its all dubstep. just because theres different styles doesn't mean it needs to be separated. if i hear a shitty dubstep song i dont call it shitstep. i just say its a shitty dubstep song...

i personally like all styles of dubstep, so i dont discriminate..
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Postby hifi » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:45 pm

lyons238 wrote:yeah i honestly hate this whole sub genre shit with dubstep lol. its all dubstep. just because theres different styles doesn't mean it needs to be separated. if i hear a shitty dubstep song i dont call it shitstep. i just say its a shitty dubstep song...

i personally like all styles of dubstep, so i dont discriminate..


true ahahah dude that's exactly how I feel.
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Postby charliefoy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:55 pm

zerbaman wrote:
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justinamster wrote:high range bass ??

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Postby burning prophet » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:34 am

hehehe :) 10khz bass.
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Postby nowaysj » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:51 am

Hypefiend wrote:And brostep? wtf? no such thing it's all dubstep.


This is completely untrue. The title of this thread really brightened my day because finally someone has the balls and intelligence to acknowledge something that is patently obvious.

:Q: to you justin for being man enough to be what you are. Much respect.
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Postby lyons238 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:56 am

nowaysj wrote:
Hypefiend wrote:And brostep? wtf? no such thing it's all dubstep.


This is completely untrue. The title of this thread really brightened my day because finally someone has the balls and intelligence to acknowledge something that is patently obvious.

:Q: to you justin for being man enough to be what you are. Much respect.


how does calling a style of dubstep a shitty name show balls and intelligence :corntard:
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