Selling puchased mp3s??

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:21 pm

Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:24 pm

Wolverine99 wrote:Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.

You're joking right?

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:27 pm

seckle wrote:
Wolverine99 wrote:Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.
You're joking right?

Nah i aint, spent loads on tunes, be a shame to see them go to waste.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:28 pm

seckle wrote:
Wolverine99 wrote:Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.
You're joking right?

That is actually an interesting concept. Do you take ownership of a product when you make a digital purchase. I guess the answer is that most people wouldn't buy what they could get for the same price or free somewhere else and know it's not a rip or some other crap.

Reselling MP3's though, I dunno. lolz

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:30 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
seckle wrote:
Wolverine99 wrote:Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.
You're joking right?
That is actually an interesting concept. Do you take ownership of a product when you make a digital purchase. I guess the answer is that most people wouldn't buy what they could get for the same price or free somewhere else and know it's not a rip or some other crap.

Reselling MP3's though, I dunno. lolz

There proper 320kpbs, bought most of them from Junodownload.com

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:34 pm

Wolverine99 wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:
seckle wrote:
Wolverine99 wrote:Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.
You're joking right?
That is actually an interesting concept. Do you take ownership of a product when you make a digital purchase. I guess the answer is that most people wouldn't buy what they could get for the same price or free somewhere else and know it's not a rip or some other crap.

Reselling MP3's though, I dunno. lolz
There proper 320kpbs, bought most of them from Junodownload.com

If you tried to sell purchased mp3's on ebay, your auction would get pulled down immediately.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:34 pm

that is a very good question... i totally get Seckle's reaction... and i was my own reaction at first... however... there's nothing wrong with selling on vinyl is there?

I suppose if you actually sold them on to only 1 person and deleted them all yourself then on a moral level you aren't doing anything wrong... but then again...

meh... messy subject

abs · Post by **abs** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:36 pm

Wolverine99 wrote:Is this allowed? i mean im planning on selling my serato scratch.
And with me spending loadsa money on the tunes and just see them go to waste would it be alright to sell them with my serato seening as i spent money on them?

In other words its like selling vinyl but on mp3 format really.

mate, do what you want, you bought those mp3s, it's up to you.

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:37 pm

cure · Post by **cure** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:43 pm

Wil Blaze wrote:that is a very good question... i totally get Seckle's reaction... and i was my own reaction at first... however... there's nothing wrong with selling on vinyl is there?

I suppose if you actually sold them on to only 1 person and deleted them all yourself then on a moral level you aren't doing anything wrong... but then again...

meh... messy subject

Messy subject is right...

When you say you plan on selling your serato, do you mean your laptop (or whatever) with serato and mp3s included? Or serato with a HD full of tunes? I could see if you have the whole package maybe...but again messy subject... It might help if you have a transaction record with juno..or reciepts and whatnot...

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:47 pm

the fact that you can sell digital software licences 2nd hand legally should not be ignored... i'm not sure technically if this compares when you buy an mp3... do you buy a licence to own and play that tune? you certainly don't buy the copyright or anything, but equally i don't think the labels/digital stores are charging for the mp3 itself, they charge you so that you can own a copy of the intellectual property (primarily at least) which in effect is a sort of licence i guess...

personally as a label owner, if someone sold a load of downloads on to someone else, and deleted it themselves, and there was no duplication involved (i.e. only 1 party ended up with the tunes) i would be fine with it... i can only speak for myself though.

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:52 pm

I came to the decision that i gotta work away, ie means no djing for me, id proberbly plan to sell my decks sometime soon aswell.

But here, just the proof from juno.

I got more tunes from other sites aswell ill find the transaction details from them.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:57 pm

Wolverine99 wrote:I came to the decision that i gotta work away, ie means no djing for me, id proberbly plan to sell my decks sometime soon aswell.

But here, just the proof from juno.

I got more tunes from other sites aswell ill find the transaction details from them.

ebay's rules about intellectual property.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/int ... ty-ov.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/downloadable.html

as i said, regardless of showing proof of payment, by ebay rules, you wouldn't be allowed to resell these as the copyrights of the artists are being infringed.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:59 pm

seckle wrote:
Wolverine99 wrote:I came to the decision that i gotta work away, ie means no djing for me, id proberbly plan to sell my decks sometime soon aswell.

But here, just the proof from juno.

I got more tunes from other sites aswell ill find the transaction details from them.
ebay's rules about intellectual property.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/int ... ty-ov.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/downloadable.html

as i said, regardless of showing proof of payment, by ebay rules, you wouldn't be allowed to resell these as the copyrights of the artists are being infringed.

not arguing with you... but does anyone else see that it's strange that they mind the artist copyright being infringed by sale of digital music (mp3 etc) but they have no problem with it being infringed when people sell vinyl and cds on there? strange world we live in... seems like there's a double standard for everything these days!

powerpill · Post by **powerpill** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:00 pm

anyone got any rare mp3's to sell?

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:02 pm

eBay wrote:The following items are restricted or prohibited because they would potentially infringe on intellectual property rights.

Fair enough... they have a point. I'm sure 99% of people who would be selling mp3s on ebay would be selling multiple copies which is completely wrong... I totally agree with ebays position on this... however, ebay's policies aren't the be all and end all of the law (or your morals) are they now?

do what you feel i guess... but personally i can't see why you wouldn't just keep the tunes to listen too anyway... i mean just cos you don't DJ any more doesn't mean you're not gonna wanna listen to the music is it?

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:02 pm

powerpill wrote:anyone got any rare mp3's to sell?

501dubz · Post by **501dubz** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:04 pm

check the terms what you buy when you buy mp3s.

its basically a license for home/personal use. the reason behind being that digital property is tangible in a very different way compared to physical property.

a quick look at beatport would confirm this:

Through the use of the Digital Download Network owned website, you are permitted to listen to Samples (as defined below), and obtain Digital Downloads of sound recordings ("Tracks") and related digital content ("Materials" defined below). The Digital Download Network Service, Tracks, and Materials are only for your personal, noncommercial use. You are responsible for any hardware, systems and/or software program(s) you use and any associated fees and expenses (a) to connect to, browse or otherwise use the Internet, and/or (b) to access the sites on which the Service is offered, and/or (c) to browse, stream, download, play back, burn or transfer the Tracks or Materials accessible through the Service. The Service is not part of any other offering or product, and as such, the purchase or obtaining of any other product shall not be construed to represent or guarantee you access to the service. From time to time, you may have to install software, available through the Service to aid in the accessibility of Content.

hence... you're not allowed to sell your old mp3s.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:06 pm

its all a grey area, but ebay's not stupid. they'd be sued instantly if they let people resell downloadable copyrighted material.

on the itunes store, when you start an account, all those pages and pages of fine print contract you into "fair use" of the media that you download. most of the time, it's the hollywood definition of "fair use".

__________ · Post by **__________** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:11 pm

interesting!!

If they're all 320s and not vinyl rips, and you're selling Serato with them, I personally wouldn't feel guilty buying them if I was the customer.

its not the same as soulseeking them or burning CDs for your friends. its a trust issue though - you're giving up DJing, but you're not giving up listening to dubstep I bet!

nobody is going to take your word that you've deleted the original files.

sketchy. i'd feel a lot more comfortable buying them than i would selling them.

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