Selling puchased mp3s??

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:13 pm

501dubz wrote:check the terms what you buy when you buy mp3s.

its basically a license for home/personal use. the reason behind being that digital property is tangible in a very different way compared to physical property.

a quick look at beatport would confirm this:

Through the use of the Digital Download Network owned website, you are permitted to listen to Samples (as defined below), and obtain Digital Downloads of sound recordings ("Tracks") and related digital content ("Materials" defined below). The Digital Download Network Service, Tracks, and Materials are only for your personal, noncommercial use. You are responsible for any hardware, systems and/or software program(s) you use and any associated fees and expenses (a) to connect to, browse or otherwise use the Internet, and/or (b) to access the sites on which the Service is offered, and/or (c) to browse, stream, download, play back, burn or transfer the Tracks or Materials accessible through the Service. The Service is not part of any other offering or product, and as such, the purchase or obtaining of any other product shall not be construed to represent or guarantee you access to the service. From time to time, you may have to install software, available through the Service to aid in the accessibility of Content.

hence... you're not allowed to sell your old mp3s.

yes but the law regarding phsical media (cds, vinyl etc) is very similar in regards that you aren't allowed to use it for commercial gain... yet people sell vinyl with no problems...

i don't think selling a product on 2nd hand counts as "using it for commercial gain" ... if it does, then selling cds and vinyl is illegal too

defo a messy area... this digital world doesn't make things simple does it?

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm

Wil Blaze wrote:
eBay wrote:The following items are restricted or prohibited because they would potentially infringe on intellectual property rights.
Fair enough... they have a point. I'm sure 99% of people who would be selling mp3s on ebay would be selling multiple copies which is completely wrong... I totally agree with ebays position on this... however, ebay's policies aren't the be all and end all of the law (or your morals) are they now?

do what you feel i guess... but personally i can't see why you wouldn't just keep the tunes to listen too anyway... i mean just cos you don't DJ any more doesn't mean you're not gonna wanna listen to the music is it?

I generally listen to mixes as there much better than just listening to one tune at a time.

I do understand some of your thoughts on this but say if i sold it to someone who likes dubstep, say if i advertised it on here.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm

Good topic. So we've discovered that it's not legal. Next question:

Should it be legal, what steps can be taken to make it legal, and that sort of thing?

This is actually my main reason other than nostalgia for buying vinyl to be honest, is the collectible nature of the beast. My MP3's are worthless to anyone but me.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:15 pm

£10 Bag wrote: sketchy. i'd feel a lot more comfortable buying them than i would selling them.

it would be the opposite for me, i'd feel comfortable selling as i would know that i was deleting the files on my own HD and that i would no longer have the product...

if i was buying however i'd worry that the guy selling them was dishonest and i wouldn't want to give him my money...

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:16 pm

Wolverine99 wrote: I do understand some of your thoughts on this but say if i sold it to someone who likes dubstep, say if i advertised it on here.

i defo wouldn't advertise it online... that's just asking for trouble!

mugger t · Post by **mugger t** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:26 pm

Deffo against ebay's rules (and copyright's).

In theory, you could just copy all your music 100s of times and sell it (not saying that you plan to or anything).

cure · Post by **cure** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:02 pm

Mugger T wrote:
In theory, you could just copy all your music 100s of times and sell it (not saying that you plan to or anything).

Yeah, thats probably the bottom line..

ytee · Post by **ytee** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:36 pm

cure wrote:
Wil Blaze wrote:that is a very good question... i totally get Seckle's reaction... and i was my own reaction at first... however... there's nothing wrong with selling on vinyl is there?

I suppose if you actually sold them on to only 1 person and deleted them all yourself then on a moral level you aren't doing anything wrong... but then again...

meh... messy subject
Messy subject is right...

When you say you plan on selling your serato, do you mean your laptop (or whatever) with serato and mp3s included? Or serato with a HD full of tunes? I could see if you have the whole package maybe...but again messy subject... It might help if you have a transaction record with juno..or reciepts and whatnot...

It's weird cause it's not really a tangible product...I have a feeling this is one of those things that will be debated for time...as the vinyl vs digital battes have been.

struggle · Post by **struggle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:00 pm

can't even begin to make a list of why this shouldn't happen.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:05 pm

struggle wrote:can't even begin to make a list of why this shouldn't happen.

Assuming the people selling and buying were 100% honest about it and it genuinely took the same from as a 2nd hand sale of a physical product... give me just ONE solid reason?

I agree that selling them and keeping copies yourself would be deeply wrong... but i still don't see why this is any different than a physical release if it is treated in that way.

struggle · Post by **struggle** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:17 am

Wil Blaze wrote: Assuming the people selling and buying were 100% honest...give me just ONE solid reason?

100% honesty = fantasy world

if you take peoples severe lack of honesty out of the equation then i guess i can't really give you a solid reason. while we're at it, let's just delete peoples violent nature too and that will be the end of war.

it's just not realistic.

other than that my reasons would be more personal and i'm not opening that can of worms.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:55 pm

struggle wrote:
Wil Blaze wrote: Assuming the people selling and buying were 100% honest...give me just ONE solid reason?
100% honesty = fantasy world

if you take peoples severe lack of honesty out of the equation then i guess i can't really give you a solid reason. while we're at it, let's just delete peoples violent nature too and that will be the end of war. it's just not realistic.

other than that my reasons would be more personal and i'm not opening that can of worms.

fair enough...

if it were me wanting to sell these tunes i can put my hand on my heart and say that i would be honest about it... so if people are gonna do that then it's fair enough.

I fully think people that sell shit on illegally and make profit from it can fuck right off though

mike honcho · Post by **mike honcho** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:50 pm

I think if you can sell the vinyl you bought, you can sell the mp3s as well, if its under the exact same conditions you would consider selling vinyl to be ok.

wtf not you snobs? I get the whole no stealing mp3s but this is a whole other topic.

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