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Post by caeraphym » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:15 am

Hurtdeer wrote:
Chewie wrote:Yeah you never know somebody might like buying a tune they've already got :roll:
actually i genuinely do buy tunes i've downloaded if i think they're really good
i'm probably a rare case though :I
Not so rare, I'm one too.

A shitty 128/192kbps rip is only good for previewing a track in full, even the 320s are mostly shite lower quality rips up-sampled. Shit tunes get deleted very quickly, the good ones get bought. Vinyl is the one true drug in my life, no bit of code/zeros and ones is ever going to replace that.

FLACs and WAVs get bought and payed for quite a bit too, because I really cannot be bothered to trawl through all the crap to find a decent play-out-able copy of something I could just paypal for a nominal amount of wongah.
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Post by dj vision » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:10 am

most torrent cracker/ripper crews and stuff are pretty nice and down to earth, if you asked the tracker and told them you wished to have it removed, im sure they would

and most of the big name programmers ensorse a try before you buy mentality, which i see nothing wrong with

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Post by 3rdeye » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:43 am

DJ Vision wrote: and most of the big name programmers ensorse a try before you buy mentality, which i see nothing wrong with
well, for me even the low quality mp3 clips up on redeye/chemical/beatport have always been enough to gauge whether or not I want to buy a tune.

'try before you buy' sounds like a poor excuse/euphemism for piracy imo.
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Post by zeno » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:26 am

I have an released digital dub that somehow ended up on Soulseek. It makes you wonder who you can trust.... :evil:

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Post by futures_untold » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:40 am

zeno wrote:I have an released digital dub that somehow ended up on Soulseek. It makes you wonder who you can trust.... :evil:
I only send out tracks I couldn't care less about, that way if they get shared, its doing me a favour.

For tracks I do care about, I'm considering recording a personalised signature for every track sent pre release.

That means if I send you an unreleased dub, it will say 'Zeno exclusive' somewhere blatant in the song. (or equivelent name/sfx)

If it ends up in torrent circles, that person will never get a preview copy again! (stnuc) haha :)

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Post by legend4ry » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:19 pm

Thats shit mate, sorry to hear that! I check google searching "Legend4ry Torrent" or "Legend4ry rapidshare" like once a month and luckily, I don't make tunes good enough to be shared around the internet world in such a form, unless I upload it myself.. You will be losing money but in the same sense more people will know your name, its 50/50 good and bad.
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Post by serox » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:42 pm

Could be worse. People could be using your picture on a gay internet website.

(A gay bloke at work spotted it)
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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Post by abZ » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:04 pm

Serox wrote:Could be worse. People could be using your picture on a gay internet website.

(A gay bloke at work spotted it)
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Post by zeno » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:20 am

Legendary wrote:Thats shit mate, sorry to hear that! I check google searching "Legend4ry Torrent" or "Legend4ry rapidshare" like once a month and luckily, I don't make tunes good enough to be shared around the internet world in such a form, unless I upload it myself.. You will be losing money but in the same sense more people will know your name, its 50/50 good and bad.
Agreed. At this stage it helps probably just as much as it hurts.

Also, Google Alerts FTW! Google sends you an email whenever ANYTHING with your selected keywords appears on the internet. Even this post! :roll:

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Post by legend4ry » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:05 am

zeno wrote:
Legendary wrote:Thats shit mate, sorry to hear that! I check google searching "Legend4ry Torrent" or "Legend4ry rapidshare" like once a month and luckily, I don't make tunes good enough to be shared around the internet world in such a form, unless I upload it myself.. You will be losing money but in the same sense more people will know your name, its 50/50 good and bad.
Agreed. At this stage it helps probably just as much as it hurts.

Also, Google Alerts FTW! Google sends you an email whenever ANYTHING with your selected keywords appears on the internet. Even this post! :roll:

www.google.com/alerts
And get porn passwords :lol:

On a serious note though.....

The Widdler, as we all know gives all his tunes out for free for a brief period then when its released he takes the links away.. yet I have seen his shit in torrent sites :lol:
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Post by Pallms » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:21 am

Caeraphym wrote:Vinyl is the one true drug in my life, no bit of code/zeros and ones is ever going to replace that.
Deep shit.

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Post by serox » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:15 am

Samuel Sifter wrote:
Caeraphym wrote:Vinyl is the one true drug in my life, no bit of code/zeros and ones is ever going to replace that.
Deep shit.
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Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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Post by spencertron » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:20 am

futures_untold wrote:
zeno wrote:I have an released digital dub that somehow ended up on Soulseek. It makes you wonder who you can trust.... :evil:
I only send out tracks I couldn't care less about, that way if they get shared, its doing me a favour.

For tracks I do care about, I'm considering recording a personalised signature for every track sent pre release.

That means if I send you an unreleased dub, it will say 'Zeno exclusive' somewhere blatant in the song. (or equivelent name/sfx)

If it ends up in torrent circles, that person will never get a preview copy again! (stnuc) haha :)
would that not discourage people from dropping your tunes in a mix? i've considered adding 'Pure Phase' effected voice as a watermark...but then thought it may affect wether people play it or not...
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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:41 am

spencerTron wrote:
futures_untold wrote:
zeno wrote:I have an released digital dub that somehow ended up on Soulseek. It makes you wonder who you can trust.... :evil:
I only send out tracks I couldn't care less about, that way if they get shared, its doing me a favour.

For tracks I do care about, I'm considering recording a personalised signature for every track sent pre release.

That means if I send you an unreleased dub, it will say 'Zeno exclusive' somewhere blatant in the song. (or equivelent name/sfx)

If it ends up in torrent circles, that person will never get a preview copy again! (stnuc) haha :)
would that not discourage people from dropping your tunes in a mix? i've considered adding 'Pure Phase' effected voice as a watermark...but then thought it may affect wether people play it or not...
If they get an exclusive preview to play out, surely its a good thing to have their name mentioned in the exclusive? (Tim Westwood shout out style)

A less blatant & more cunning way would be to make a sound effect that fits with the music, but is only in the individual preview copies you send out to people pre release. If the tune winds up on torrents, you'll know who the culprit is, but they will never know that you know!

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Post by Steve AC23 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:53 am

wen i was 13 and till i was bout 16

i downloaded FUCKLOADS of jungle vinyl rips

now i own more records than ive had hot dinners

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Post by spencertron » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:11 pm

futures_untold wrote:
spencerTron wrote:
futures_untold wrote:
zeno wrote:I have an released digital dub that somehow ended up on Soulseek. It makes you wonder who you can trust.... :evil:
I only send out tracks I couldn't care less about, that way if they get shared, its doing me a favour.

For tracks I do care about, I'm considering recording a personalised signature for every track sent pre release.

That means if I send you an unreleased dub, it will say 'Zeno exclusive' somewhere blatant in the song. (or equivelent name/sfx)

If it ends up in torrent circles, that person will never get a preview copy again! (stnuc) haha :)
would that not discourage people from dropping your tunes in a mix? i've considered adding 'Pure Phase' effected voice as a watermark...but then thought it may affect wether people play it or not...
If they get an exclusive preview to play out, surely its a good thing to have their name mentioned in the exclusive? (Tim Westwood shout out style)

A less blatant & more cunning way would be to make a sound effect that fits with the music, but is only in the individual preview copies you send out to people pre release. If the tune winds up on torrents, you'll know who the culprit is, but they will never know that you know!
ah, i misunderstood...so the idea is you put a watermark of who you have sent it to on the track...that would work, would also be alot of effort too.
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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:36 pm

spencerTron wrote: ah, i misunderstood...so the idea is you put a watermark of who you have sent it to on the track...that would work, would also be alot of effort too.
Yes, creating intergrated (hidden) waqtermarks and then recording who exactly has recieved each recording is slightly extreme as a way to track pirates.......

I guess it depends on the level of antipiracy you're commited too, and ultimately, in this day and age there is no simple solution to protecting your work.

Maybe the best way is to embrace the 'freebie' scene, and focus any profit related endevours to physical products that arn't so easily piratable (merchandise)?

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Post by acid2 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:46 pm

Sorry, but wtf? And not a wtf in agreement with you, but a wtf in regards to your attitude. If I found something I wrote on a torrent site, and especially with seeders - I'd be over the moon! People are taking interest in the music, be grateful - and monopolize on that. As people said, register - say thanks for checking your music out, give them info to check more stuff out by you.

But jeez, what use is bitch on dubstep forums? Sorry if this is disrespectful to artists, but artists who show they are just in it for the money annoy me more than people "stealing" the music.

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Post by dubloke » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:49 pm

Sorry to hear that bro but at the end of the day, your making tunes good enough for people to go to the trouble of getting them, uploading them and then telling people about it! a bit flattering really!
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Samuel Sifter wrote:
Caeraphym wrote:Vinyl is the one true drug in my life, no bit of code/zeros and ones is ever going to replace that.
Deep shit.
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Post by spencertron » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:05 pm

aCiD2 wrote:Sorry, but wtf? And not a wtf in agreement with you, but a wtf in regards to your attitude. If I found something I wrote on a torrent site, and especially with seeders - I'd be over the moon! People are taking interest in the music, be grateful - and monopolize on that. As people said, register - say thanks for checking your music out, give them info to check more stuff out by you.

But jeez, what use is bitch on dubstep forums? Sorry if this is disrespectful to artists, but artists who show they are just in it for the money annoy me more than people "stealing" the music.
i wouldn't normally put down such an opinion on this but your comment is a bit too assuming on part of the artists. yes people celebrating your music through torrent'ing it, is a positive thing in one respect...but...

No. it's not about money. as there is bugger all money in it unless you're shifting tonnes of units. Can't people sell those idea's without being accused of becoming money hungry? People sell lots of things that they make...it doesn't mean they're all wanting to make a fortune...Artists are allowed to put some value on their work...even if it is supposedly the same worth as their work being posted on torrent sites...but let the artist be the judge of that.

everybody assumes that all musicians/artists/writers are in it to be big and therfore should be grateful for any exposure?...and that those artists who post their tunes up, or having a myspace or sharing their music themselves implies that they clearly must want to be big?...not always right to assume that you are doing people favours by posting their tunes elsewhere. whatever the agenda may be for artists...let them be in control, and let them push it out, as much or as little as they like, to who they want.

i suppose Apple,Cycling,NI,Steinberg...should be grateful also for the exposure they get from torrents of their work?

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