dubstep and grime

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:39 am

sorry , i just got really steamed after reading that mc ntype thread.

other then tempo and a similar history i see no real links , the day i go to a dubstep rave and have to hear mans shankin and gettin merky over 6 hours of dubstep im askin for my money back. i aint tryin to shit on what people are doing i just think that if your gonna spit and have people listen ,say something worth sayin. in the same breath there are grime artists that pull it off ,but more time its just utes posturing and makes me think of ghetto wrestling. except that people do get hurt.

i know how murky and dark life in britain is , and when i go to a dance i like to escape all that shit, people get murdered kidnapped robbed and all that shit day in and day out round my bits , i dont need some 17 year old to promote it to me!! i dont care how nang your flows are i love lyrics , not rhymes . i like to hear intelligence in a verse, its easy to be spit about sprayin and shottin white. mans play it safe by taking the gangsta route .
check , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVErYYJD3M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlwNqahl8QY
now those are bars.

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:44 am

I'll try not to spit any bars Poax, being 17 and that!

But I hear what your saying. I got respect for the newham gens cos thats a hype but it's true. I wanna hear complicated rhymes etc. The current Dubstep MCs / Hosts are decent and lets not change that.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:45 am

poax wrote: i know how murky and dark life in britain is , and when i go to a dance i like to escape all that shit, people get murdered kidnapped robbed and all that shit day in and day out round my bits , i dont need some 17 year old to promote it to me!!

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:46 am

not mugging you off cos your younger, cos i think its worse when you get big man of 26 talkin that kinda shit. its not an age ting!! like i said as well , not tryin to shit on what anyone is doing! biggup deaps , spit bars all you like!!

deville · Post by **deville** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:55 am

i agree with most of what poax said, intelligence on the mic is rare and should be recognised, that youtube mc was on point but taking the example of hip hop, for me, sometimes I like conscious. sometimes i want de la soul and sometimes i just want crunk, stupid dum lyrics about drinking and girls. theres nothing wrong with getting stupid sometimes, if you treat weak lyrics as just that, fun.

colm · Post by **colm** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:55 am

ahaaaa! stig is a badboy! fucking nice guy too. gwan the geordies! and the beggars!1

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:05 am

keep it concious. keep it SLT.

six_foot_dooze · Post by **six_foot_dooze** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:07 am

one of the most talented lyrical MC's i know of has to be Purple from Renegade Boys..... listen to his lyrics and they all have meaning, true things, tru topics covered and he keeps it real all the time!

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:08 am

yeah educated west man clearly!

he was sick onetime we played plastic's rave waaay back in the day now...1st time we got to hear da loefah

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:09 am

i enjoy the occassional bit of voyeurism with grime mcing, cos i aint gonna lie most of my life ive been nowhere near the shit that goes down, so i cant say im not intrigued by seeing the attitudes and values that come around, and i find it interesting thinking about the nature of zeitgeist, the reasons why these kids are saying this

i also love sick flow, and like the guilty pleasure of ignoring the grimness of what theyre saying for a bit to appreciate the deepness of how theyre saying it

but i dont really want that in dubstep, at least not in the kode9/mystikz axis. not wantin to sound like a nob but pokes hits the nail on the head for that, just some quotables and positive vibes to accentuate the music... live dubstep mcing to me is about restraint and knowing when to say what and in what way. and thats not what grime mcs are about in general, its about passion and rawness, which is live, but not necessarily what i want to hear over mala tunes

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:11 am

I agree with Poax totally.

Unless its done well, it sounds shit - I just want to hear the music.

See my earlier comments about scratching.

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:49 am

each to their own.

all i know is autumn last year when skepta and generals and roll deep were showing up at fwd every fortnight and spitting over dubstep was the best period i've experienced of being into a scene like ever.

unless its done well, it sounds shit

this applies to dubstep. and everything else, obviously.

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:56 am

poax wrote:sorry , i just got really steamed after reading that mc ntype thread.

other then tempo and a similar history i see no real links , the day i go to a dubstep rave and have to hear mans shankin and gettin merky over 6 hours of dubstep im askin for my money back. i aint tryin to shit on what people are doing i just think that if your gonna spit and have people listen ,say something worth sayin. in the same breath there are grime artists that pull it off ,but more time its just utes posturing and makes me think of ghetto wrestling. except that people do get hurt.

what like 'woah woah woah', 'listen to the drum and the bass'? not dissing crazy but the moment you start asking for every lyric to be profound and life-enhancing is the moment everything gets very fucking boring. skepta spitting his 'every time you see me wearing the glove, boy better know i got the gun in my boxers..' lines are just as un-profound as crazy d's stuff, and they're both good to listen to over dubstep.

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:03 pm

thump rat · Post by **thump rat** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:06 pm

People find it baffling that i love dubstep but don't like grime, i understand the links and there are some grime tunes that i do like, but to me its undeniably different.

With this bare chat blud mc vs. traditional master of ceremonies argument, i prefer dubstep how it is, the music should take a forefront with the mc just adding to it. I have mates who judge whether a dnb line-up is good by the mc's which makes me chuckle. I guess cos i like my hip hop if i want to listen to an emcee i will listen to some Nas, Jehst, MF Doom etc, so i guess the lyricism of mc's from other genres falls below the bar.

I'm refuging into dubstep because its different to the other genres, i hear people into grime talking about dubstep like its a geeky cousin "its boring grime", shuddap! I personally want dubstep and grime to stay far away from eachother, we can both understand the relation to eachother, but i don't want to hear pizzacato stings and ego's shoutin bout who their gonna shank at a dubstep rave. I'll try to keep bassweight.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:11 pm

its all about the mc fitting the vibe of the music.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:18 pm

seen poaxy. i'd only say that there are certain grime mc's that are talented enough to make it work, without crossing the vibes line in the sand. the kode 9 vs wiley rinse set a few months back is a classic example of when it can work. just my 2 pence on this. i do agree that the merking vibes need to be left out.

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:20 pm

not saying i havent considered the contraditions between my own morals and ethics and the lyrical content of grime, but FUCK IT

dubstep bores me silly nowadays most of the time i just want some fucking hype in the dance

anyway Poax, was there an event that sparked this off? when do you even get grime MCs over dubstep anymore? Isnt this all a bit hypothetical nowadays?

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:28 pm

I hear what you're saying but to be honest I'd probably rather listen to Skepta or Ghetto than that first rapper you posted- he just sounds like jehst/chester/a million other british rappers to me. Lyrically sick but the flow doesn't excite me (and I'm not dissing chester, in fact i'm not really dissing the first mc either). I do agree I'd like to hear more diversity in grime lyrics, at the moment I've onyl heard skepta repeat a few verses, all of which were centered around shooting people etc. I think you can get away with that subject matter if your lyrics are witty enough, if you've got enough style and flow- I mean, that first rapper is talking about stabbing ''you'' etc. and both of them have angry aggressive styles.

Not sure if it works with dubstep though, although I'd like to see certain grime mcs over dubstep.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:31 pm

oh and I can see why that sort of chat isn't at DMZ especially, as you say it's a peaceful vibe. You can't really have ''anti war dub'' alongside ''lick off your head like guiness or fosters'' can you lol

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