Dubtep=the new punk. Discuss

[stormfield]

when's the Red Red Wine VIP coming out?

[mos dan]

yeah fair enough sick boy that wasn't a helpful comment sorry. here we go then:

Grime could be seen to have a punk ethic to it on some of these grounds, namely the independent and political nature that it embodies. However, the political nature is obviously from a different angle, as many grime artists are concerned with commercial success.

*grime is independent by circumstance, not choice, definitely not political choice
*there is hardly any overtly political grime - diz spitting "i'm a problem for anthony blair" doesn't quite cover it
*being concerned with commercial success does not preclude a political nature
*most punk bands were just as concerned with commercial success as any other kind of band. hardcore and dc punk may be different, but then that's why they have different names.

Dubstep is definetely not punk. It is mostly independently carried, but has very little political edge, and far more of a social and spiritual one (what with all this "mediatating on bass weight" ideology).

*most punks were nihilists. very few were interested in propagating an overtly political message. the sex pistols didn't want to actually start a movement to destroy the monarchy any more than jammer wants to come to your endz and circle man. it's a shtick.
*don't get me started on dubstep and spiritualism. it's a kind of music that is good to dance to, not an opportunity to break out your feng shui handbook and start balancing your chi. unless that's what yr into i guess.

I am a firm believer in the harmony between grime and dubstep. I feel that together they both perfectly represent a social/political culture that many people living in urban centres are a part of.

*dubstep's a suburban thing really, but i get confused when i start talking about psychogeography so i won't go down that road. i am at least pleased to see someone say grime and dubstep are part of a wider whole, not two separate movements.

[alex bk-bk]

*don't get me started on dubstep and spiritualism. it's a kind of music that is good to dance to, not an opportunity to break out your feng shui handbook and start balancing your chi. unless that's what yr into i guess.

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i am at least pleased to see someone say grime and dubstep are part of a wider whole, not two separate movements.

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[seckle]

every few weeks we get these kind of threads, and every few weeks it makes me cringe. you have to know about your past to know your future; but let's leave out the quick comparisons and the introspective "where are we now" threads. it's like watching paint dry. my 25 pence. back to the bass and beats...

[joseph-j]

it's like watching paint dry.

Its worse than that. Its like listening to your dad talk about it.

[hate recordings]

it's like watching paint dry.

Its worse than that. Its like listening to your dad talk about it.

[sick boy]

*grime is independent by circumstance, not choice, definitely not political choice
*there is hardly any overtly political grime - diz spitting "i'm a problem for anthony blair" doesn't quite cover it
*being concerned with commercial success does not preclude a political nature
*most punk bands were just as concerned with commercial success as any other kind of band. hardcore and dc punk may be different, but then that's why they have different names.

1. I'll definetely step down on that one, grime is definetely independent by circumstance, but their D.I.Y hustle ethic has still been there, circumstancial or no.
2/3/4. You don't have to be talking about political issues to have a political angle.

*most punks were nihilists. very few were interested in propagating an overtly political message. the sex pistols didn't want to actually start a movement to destroy the monarchy any more than jammer wants to come to your endz and circle man. it's a shtick.
*don't get me started on dubstep and spiritualism. it's a kind of music that is good to dance to, not an opportunity to break out your feng shui handbook and start balancing your chi. unless that's what yr into i guess.

1. Again, what they were interested in is besides the point. Punk was very politically charged, despite what any of the people making the music thought it was. Nihilism is also a political stance.
2. Don't tell that to me, tell that to them. I've been ragging on the pseudo-science spirituality thing for time. It does exist though. I just read an article the other day on one of those blogs comparing DMZ to the spiritual effect of an Abbysians concert. Ehhh?

*dubstep's a suburban thing really, but i get confused when i start talking about psychogeography so i won't go down that road. i am at least pleased to see someone say grime and dubstep are part of a wider whole, not two separate movements.

Here I'm just going on where it seems to be catching on globally: London, New York, Toronto...

And I'm glad someone is pleased about that. I wish more people would realize them as not so different. Kode 9 talks about this a lot actually - in fact in that article in the Wire I think he said something like he didn't think dubstep would go far just as a purely instrumental genre like it is now?

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Sorry about all of this. Next time I'll leave it to dissensus.