Dubstep joins DnB down a dead end alley

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:14 pm

I havnt read through everything in this thread but, although I do hate comments about the genre becoming formulaic and dubstep dying etc the opening argument was well written and rings true.

Example being last friday at modulate, me felis and luthor b2b to start the night off, played a set which progressed from techy stuff, int dubby into more heavy stuff. People just dont seem to get the concept of building a set up?! And even after playing some 16b toward the end of the set I still had a couple of idiots come up to me and say wheres the filth? I responded did you not here that chainsaw track?!
"Yea I did but that didnt have any wubwubwubble!"

Then later during bar9's set (which was heavy,well constructed and got people going) I had a couple of people telling me it was too progressive?! You what?!!! Did you hear the Triple drop into rock da bells intro??!!!

I dont think anything can be described as a "problem" as such but dubstep has no identity at the moment. No one seems to know what dubstep is, the fact that more and more people are diversifying the sound with electro, rave and techno seems to mean nothing to the guys that just wanna hear Moaners over and over again...

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:18 pm

all we want is dickheads to not go 2 raves/go on forums.

funky stanton · Post by **funky stanton** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:27 pm

The only thing that can save Dubstep now is Westcoast stylee hip hip MCing. Everybody knows that 'life ain't nothing but bitches and money' and Dubstep in it's current form just does not do enough to express this fact. People need to stop pretending that Dubstep is anything more than Hip Hop at different speed. We need HARDER snares and FILTHY basslines so that people know we're serious and we need men shouting over the top about about SERIOUS stuff that might get you KILLED. If we don't make the music hard enough then people won't take it seriously.

duderonomy · Post by **duderonomy** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:37 pm

Jonnyrebel wrote: I dont think anything can be described as a "problem" as such but dubstep has no identity at the moment. No one seems to know what dubstep is, the fact that more and more people are diversifying the sound with electro, rave and techno seems to mean nothing to the guys that just wanna hear Moaners over and over again...

I don't think this is a problem - this is what makes dubstep so great. It's a shot in the arm for dance music, if it didn't sound pretentious as f*ck, I'd go so far as to say I think it's quietly revolutionising ALL dance music.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:41 pm

There was actually a fairly intelligent conversation about the cyclical nature of newness, growth, commercialization and change of subgenres of electronic music that went on in this thread.

The last few posters here seem to have missed it. Oh well. Ya might give it a read. Long thread, but there are some very well-written posts in it. I was actually giving it a read a bit ago.

LEQ · Post by **LEQ** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:41 pm

I'l cook up some beats Stanton if you MC over them.. Murder on the dancefloor stylee.

duderonomy · Post by **duderonomy** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:42 pm

ocr wrote:

I have the cream of DnB’s creative surge on vinyl,late 90’s onward,

Thoughts anyone?

I haven't read all 12 pages, but tell me somebody brought ^^this^^ up. Late 90's onwards - so what, is that just as Photek started getting sh*t, Dillinja began putting out rubbish under the Capone monkier, and DnB nights were dominated by white chav blokes without a girl to be seen in the club?

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:52 pm

Jonnyrebel wrote: No one seems to know what dubstep is, the fact that more and more people are diversifying the sound with electro, rave and techno seems to mean nothing to the guys that just wanna hear Moaners over and over again...

I'm not sure what you mean by moaners but how could diversification possibly be a bad thing? Like, do you think it's a bad thing that upper class white people in America are listening to Burial and shit? I really don't understand what point you're trying to make here, if anything the diversification has been good for the entire scene. I'm from the states and I can think of at least 15 people or so offhand that I know for sure got into dubstep in general because of him (and I'm not in any way trying to imply that Burial's shit is straight up dubstep because I know it's not) and basically checked out many artists who they probably wouldn't even give a fuck about if Burial hadn't made them pay attention to the scene. There's probably a ridiculous amount of people like that out here. I mean, fuck, I'm one of those people. Does that make me less of a person to you? I'm sorry, but you'll never own or control music. lol

Why can't you have an equally positive opinion of both styles? For example, I enjoy stuff by Digital Mystikz just as much as Burial, I don't think of either of them as better than each other on a fundamental level.

All I'm really trying to say is that I really don't see the point of all this bitching.

Collectively, we need to ditch our egos and just make music.

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:53 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:There was actually a fairly intelligent conversation about the cyclical nature of newness, growth, commercialization and change of subgenres of electronic music that went on in this thread.

The last few posters here seem to have missed it. Oh well. Ya might give it a read. Long thread, but there are some very well-written posts in it. I was actually giving it a read a bit ago.

yea sorry i did mention i hadnt read it properly so apologies if Ive missed something.

I love the genre, but attention spans are short these days. The internet helped create the dubstep monster but it will turn into skynet and bomb the world resulting in terminator

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:01 pm

Feral Witchchild wrote:
Jonnyrebel wrote: No one seems to know what dubstep is, the fact that more and more people are diversifying the sound with electro, rave and techno seems to mean nothing to the guys that just wanna hear Moaners over and over again...
I'm not sure what you mean by moaners but how could diversification possibly be a bad thing? Like, do you think it's a bad thing that upper class white people in America are listening to Burial and shit? I really don't understand what point you're trying to make here, if anything the diversification has been good for the entire scene. I'm from the states and I can think of at least 15 people or so offhand that I know for sure got into dubstep in general because of him (and I'm not in any way trying to imply that Burial's shit is straight up dubstep because I know it's not) and basically checked out many artists who they probably wouldn't even give a fuck about if Burial hadn't made them pay attention to the scene. There's probably a ridiculous amount of people like that out here. I mean, fuck, I'm one of those people. Does that make me less of a person to you? I'm sorry, but you'll never own or control music. lol

Why can't you have an equally positive opinion of both styles? For example, I enjoy stuff by Digital Mystikz just as much as Burial, I don't think of either of them as better than each other on a fundamental level.

All I'm really trying to say is that I really don't see the point of all this bitching.

Lol read what I have written.

I am applauding diversification. I went to see sasha on the weekend and went mental to a progressive, diverse and superbly built set along with 2000 others. I cant imagine that happening with the last couple of raves Ive played at, although to be fair im getting good responses from playing things by T++ and The narcossist as much as some of the big room sounds...

And I like everything, I like wobble when its done well, in particular bar9, 16bit, The others etc all make cracking tunes but its not me with the problem...

Maybe if the warm up dj played all the requests, got them, out the way and then let the dj's play what they wanted the guys would stop hassling me for saxon and just enjoy the sound the dj is trying to share with them. Then when those big tunes do drop the patience is rewarded....

Its like football isnt it, everyone wants instant results!

feral witchchild · Post by **feral witchchild** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:09 pm

Jonnyrebel wrote: I am applauding diversification.

Oh...well, then. lol This is awkward. Sorry. -_______-

somejerk · Post by **somejerk** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:00 pm

you are just getting old

really though - what do you want? the same shit that was coming out 5 years ago? it was done, a lots been done and i am looking forward to what's coming next and trying to compare it to the past as little as possible.

duderonomy · Post by **duderonomy** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:10 pm

somejerk wrote:you are just getting old

really though - what do you want? the same shit that was coming out 5 years ago? it was done, a lots been done and i am looking forward to what's coming next and trying to compare it to the past as little as possible.

I'm looking fwd to the Martyn single on Tectonic, and if it ever comes out, the Cluekid & LD "Not Gonna Cry" track. Neither of which sound like dubstep as done in 2003.

ruckspin · Post by **ruckspin** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:59 pm

interesting article on drum and bass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 26845.html

although it focusses mainly on the 'liquid'/'pop' developments in dnb, without mentioning the techno/rave/electronica infulenced side with artists such as raiden, proket & current value... but i guess they aren't as accessible, so don't back up the author's main statement.

the latest sabre mix on dnbtv also confirms dnb is alive and well, although many others are still flogging corpses.

i think both dnb & dubstep are going through a stage of identity crisis. hopefully this is just the beginning of a dj renaissence, where punters actually begin to appreciate a set of well mixed and carefully selected tunes they may not have heard before, rather than the gratuitous anthem-bash that many djs feel they have to do to get the big crowd reactions...

just a thought.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:39 pm

Jonnyrebel wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:There was actually a fairly intelligent conversation about the cyclical nature of newness, growth, commercialization and change of subgenres of electronic music that went on in this thread.

The last few posters here seem to have missed it. Oh well. Ya might give it a read. Long thread, but there are some very well-written posts in it. I was actually giving it a read a bit ago.
yea sorry i did mention i hadnt read it properly so apologies if Ive missed something.

I love the genre, but attention spans are short these days. The internet helped create the dubstep monster but it will turn into skynet and bomb the world resulting in terminator

<3 terminator references.

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