Whats good dubstep and whats bad dubstep?

[fooishbar]

Anyway if I want to make broad generalisations (I know a few women studying music so this doesn't apply to them) the more women there are at a gig the worse the music is. That's usually the most accurate way to determine if the music is actually shit.

wow!

my mum would slap me if i said that to her

some kids round here in desperate need.

[theflyonthewall]

uk garage is shit?

Hell yea!!!

[bunjcore]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

[godflesh fiend]

Anyway if I want to make broad generalisations (I know a few women studying music so this doesn't apply to them) the more women there are at a gig the worse the music is. That's usually the most accurate way to determine if the music is actually shit.

I'm not going to agree with this for fear of being brutalised...(and the fact I disagree)...BUT.......I will say the other week we had a house party at mine and everytime I was playing some bad-ass Dubstep or Hip Hop or the such the dance floor was minimal.....when my girlfriend would jump on the decks she'd spin her "classic" 80's 7"s such as the Ghostbusters theme or the Footloose theme or Total Eclipse Of The Heart (etc etc) and suddenly the floor would be jam-packed with the ladies going ape-shit with the moves!

I saw Benga last week and thought he was fine although I do understand what you're saying with regards to his set........Break played after him and was absolutely superb.

[godflesh fiend]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

Good post and I agree with that...... I'm pretty sure that's what the original post was getting at instead of "good Dubstep & bad Dubstep".

[jah pat]

[sonar]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

absolutely agree, good post.

[ahier]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

i dunt know, i think it depends who the massive names are, i find people like n-type, chef, youngsta (i'd count them as big names) always seem to deliver, and mostly if i've been dissapointed by a big name - benga, rusko for example, its never been due to the selection but more down to the crowd that ram it out to watch them who put me off - too moshy and packed, which whilst fun sometimes can also detract from th set. And whilst some tunes do get played out a lot, if mixed well and in a good crowd, it'll still set me off regardless of it being the 1st listen or 30th.

[d-miz3]

I think it's all dependant on what you like, there's so called "badman" dubstep such as rusko, and more chilled dubstep as in caspa, most prefer one to the other. It's just a case of preferance. I personally love a bit of filthy badman dubstep.

what a load of crapola you talkith.
both caspa and rusko make dubstep tracks that are either filth or the more chilled out sound.

[molloy]

I don't see why my statement caused that much controversy. It's plain to see. Most new genres are male dominated scenes. Particularly abbrassive or aggressive music like grime, drum and base or heavy metal. As the music becomes more mainstream and danceable the ratio of women at gigs rises.

As I said, this is a generalisation, not a rule. It was not some sort of sleight at all the women on this forum saying you don't exist, or my taste is better than yours. There are of course women who have progressive taste in music (much more than myself) but they make up a smaller proportion than men. Then if you go to a pop gig there are more women than men.

edit: I find it ironic that I'm the one who said I'm not interested in going to gigs exclusively in the pursuit of gash and somehow I'm the sexist one.

[ahier]

I don't see why my statement caused that much controversy. It's plain to see. Most new genres are male dominated scenes. Particularly abbrassive or aggressive music like grime, drum and base or heavy metal. As the music becomes more mainstream and danceable the ratio of women at gigs rises.

As I said, this is a generalisation, not a rule. It was not some sort of sleight at all the women on this forum saying you don't exist, or my taste is better than yours. There are of course women who have progressive taste in music (much more than myself) but they make up a smaller proportion than men. Then if you go to a pop gig there are more women than men.

edit: I find it ironic that I'm the one who said I'm not interested in going to gigs exclusively in the pursuit of gash and somehow I'm the sexist one.

the only problem i saw was the assumption that mainstream = bad

[184]

I always prefer the less known warm up DJs that spin before the big names. Especially ones that aren't afraid to throw in a few of their own or their crew's productions.

[molloy]

That's not a popular assessment I know. I used to work in shops where I had to listen to Coldplay and the like all day and it made me pretty antagonistic towards mainstream music. Again, there is great popular music. But the vast majority of it is shit. Exceptions to the rule and all that.

Pop music would be better if it was about what people actually wanted to buy, rather than all distorted by massive marketing budgets, advertising tie ins and computerised radio playlisting etc.

[ahier]

That's not a popular assessment I know. I used to work in shops where I had to listen to Coldplay and the like all day and it made me pretty antagonistic towards mainstream music. Again, there is great popular music. But the vast majority of it is shit. Exceptions to the rule and all that.

Pop music would be better if it was about what people actually wanted to buy, rather than all distorted by massive marketing budgets, advertising tie ins and computerised radio playlisting etc.

oh i definitely agree with you that the majority of 'chart' music and the like is not good, don't get me wrong, although someone must be buying it even if it isnt amongst the people you know. to be honest lots of people i know discount all new music completely, listening mostly to stuff made between 60s-90s.
(i'm not entirely sure where im going with this post here bear with me)
where dubstep is regarded though, i guess it is these full on bassy bangers that are drawing the attention from the big raving crowd, who go to nights expecting that sort of thing, and thats why there seems to be a larger proportion of it. I guess if you are after a more selective and constructed set, you gotta choose the nights you attend more carefully according to the people who will give you that sort of thing - same as dnb, you wouldnt go to hype for the depth. (not trying to compare people like hype to benga in any stretch of the imagination mind).

i get the impression i am not talking sense.

[gorillabearbear]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

i dunt know, i think it depends who the massive names are, i find people like n-type, chef, youngsta (i'd count them as big names) always seem to deliver, and mostly if i've been dissapointed by a big name - benga, rusko for example, its never been due to the selection but more down to the crowd that ram it out to watch them who put me off - too moshy and packed, which whilst fun sometimes can also detract from th set. And whilst some tunes do get played out a lot, if mixed well and in a good crowd, it'll still set me off regardless of it being the 1st listen or 30th.

Cosined.

I don't mind a set that smashes it occasionally, it's more irritating when you go to a night where 5 DJs alll decide they want to go on and smash it with bass that goes on so long it rattles your ribcage out your arse, but I think that's partly to do with the crowds, like if a dj sees the person before him getting the dancefloor packed with wobblers then he's coming on and playing wobblers in case he hasn't got a chinstroker crowd.

But yeah, I don't worry about it too much, I go to a rusko set and I know what I'm getting and that's cool, but I still see some decent sets with a bit more of a flow to them. Tes La Rok still puts in a nice bell curve for his sets, based on what I saw a couple of months back, for example.

Even better is that those sets tend to not have the annoying day-glo fairweather skinny jeans crew wanting the hit selection

[canby]

I don't see why my statement caused that much controversy. It's plain to see. Most new genres are male dominated scenes. Particularly abbrassive or aggressive music like grime, drum and base or heavy metal. As the music becomes more mainstream and danceable the ratio of women at gigs rises.

As I said, this is a generalisation, not a rule. It was not some sort of sleight at all the women on this forum saying you don't exist, or my taste is better than yours. There are of course women who have progressive taste in music (much more than myself) but they make up a smaller proportion than men. Then if you go to a pop gig there are more women than men.

edit: I find it ironic that I'm the one who said I'm not interested in going to gigs exclusively in the pursuit of gash and somehow I'm the sexist one.

it doesnt matter whether you were trying to be sexist or not it was a stupid post.
from now on im going to ask ticket venders how many females have brought tickets for certain nights or events. then il base my decision whether to go or not based on that = logic

[ahier]

Even better is that those sets tend to not have the annoying day-glo fairweather skinny jeans crew wanting the hit selection

seen
how do you even dance in skinny jeans? can barely move your legs properly, an mus get proper sweaty

[nimbus]

firstly:

I think it's all dependant on what you like, there's so called "badman" dubstep such as rusko, and more chilled dubstep as in caspa, most prefer one to the other. It's just a case of preferance. I personally love a bit of filthy badman dubstep.

jesus man is that how u describe dubstep's range of content? i better stop bothering reaching the rave in case theres no rusko 'badman dubstep' or caspa chillout!

and about malloy's comment about the gal dem, i see how it could offend but i dont think he's saying all women have shit taste in music, just that as a night or 'genre' declines it attracts more groupie ho's.

[juliun_c90]

I find it ironic that I'm the one who said I'm not interested in going to gigs exclusively in the pursuit of gash and somehow I'm the sexist one.

Perhaps not quite as ironic as your use of the term 'gash' in the sentence above.

[slothrop]

I don't mind a set that smashes it occasionally, it's more irritating when you go to a night where 5 DJs alll decide they want to go on and smash it with bass that goes on so long it rattles your ribcage out your arse, but I think that's partly to do with the crowds, like if a dj sees the person before him getting the dancefloor packed with wobblers then he's coming on and playing wobblers in case he hasn't got a chinstroker crowd.

I generally try not to moan about stuff these days but JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS WITH THIS ASSUMPTION THAT ALL SETS ARE EITHER PREDICTABLE-BUT -GET-THE-CROWD-GOING-WOBBLERS OR HEADNODDING-WANKERY-FOR-THE-CHINSTROKERS? DOES NOONE REMEMBER WHEN YOU USED TO HAVE DANCEFLOORS GOING CRAZY TO REALLY DIVERSE TUNES? HAS NOONE SEEN A KODE 9 SET LATELY? HOW RESTRICTED IS YOUR FUCKING IMAGINATION / AMBITION?

(Not really targetted at you GBB, just thought I'd get that one out of my system for this week.)