Whats good dubstep and whats bad dubstep?

[djshiva]

edit: I find it ironic that I'm the one who said I'm not interested in going to gigs exclusively in the pursuit of gash and somehow I'm the sexist one.

i find it ironic that you miss the self-contained contradiction in your own sentence.

anyhow, i don't think anyone actually said you were a sexist, just that your statement was completely ass backwards, based on anecdotal evidence, and completely insulting, no matter how many different ways you attempt to phrase it.

[jayar]

and for fucks sake its

BASS
not BASE

thanks

[jonnyrebel]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

absolutely agree, good post.

spot on bunjman...

[spaniard]

I have to agree with the thread starter. I felt robbed every time I've seen a 'massive' name in about 8 months. It doesn't feel like dj's are playin for themselves anymore, there is no benga sound, mala sound, skream sound, its just NOW DUBPLATES (either tunes that have been rinsed to fuck or already came out). Don't get me wrong the radio shows and releases are still interestin and varied but when I go out I don't want to hear 3 chase and status tunes b2b with wheres my money b2b filth.
I've been goin 2 dubstep nights for time now and feel alienated by how bait the selection's got (in some cases not changed for 6 months). I feel cheated and disenchanted the main players. I understand that they're playing to the crowd but if thats the case, personally I feel insulted. It IS different at dmz/forward so why not impress me regardless of whether I'm in landan

I see where your coming from, but I think that a dj's selection can also depend on the night and or promoter, smaller nights are under more pressure to get people in the door and playing the more well known tunes does that to an extent. However I do believe a dj should play what he wants and not to please the crowd.

[azair]

Hi all.

First of all I would like to encourage people to show some respect for the threadstarter. Meaningless posts and stupid jokes aren't funny for the threadstarter that actually started the thread with a purpose.

I'd massively dissagree with the idea that danceable = good music. I think it's a balance. What I'm complaining about basically is lack of variety. A set should build. You can't maintain a high point right through the set. You have to build it up over a period. Start lighter and slower, then go to heavy and loud. If it starts heavy and loud then you've nowhere left to go and it just gets monotinous.

I agree with you. I've never been to a rave party, so before I express my thoughts, I would like to stress that fact that this is my own thoughts. Sometimes Dubstep sounds monotous to me, it's all the same drum sounds, wobble- and subbasses with a modest melody. I totally agree with Molloy, that just because you can freak out to the music or dance, doesn't mean it's good. I like to dance, but it doesn't have to be about moving your legs only, there needs to be something for your mind too.

That's not a popular assessment I know. I used to work in shops where I had to listen to Coldplay and the like all day and it made me pretty antagonistic towards mainstream music. Again, there is great popular music. But the vast majority of it is shit. Exceptions to the rule and all that.

I feel the same way to, that's why I rarely listen to radio. Some pop singers are just selling their looks and their body, most of it is made in the studio by a professional producer.

From experience I keep that assessment to myself and try to remember what pop music actually is about.

Pop music would be better if it was about what people actually wanted to buy, rather than all distorted by massive marketing budgets, advertising tie ins and computerised radio playlisting etc.

Well said, Molloy.

[gorillabearbear]

I don't mind a set that smashes it occasionally, it's more irritating when you go to a night where 5 DJs alll decide they want to go on and smash it with bass that goes on so long it rattles your ribcage out your arse, but I think that's partly to do with the crowds, like if a dj sees the person before him getting the dancefloor packed with wobblers then he's coming on and playing wobblers in case he hasn't got a chinstroker crowd.

I generally try not to moan about stuff these days but JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS WITH THIS ASSUMPTION THAT ALL SETS ARE EITHER PREDICTABLE-BUT -GET-THE-CROWD-GOING-WOBBLERS OR HEADNODDING-WANKERY-FOR-THE-CHINSTROKERS? DOES NOONE REMEMBER WHEN YOU USED TO HAVE DANCEFLOORS GOING CRAZY TO REALLY DIVERSE TUNES? HAS NOONE SEEN A KODE 9 SET LATELY? HOW RESTRICTED IS YOUR FUCKING IMAGINATION / AMBITION?

(Not really targetted at you GBB, just thought I'd get that one out of my system for this week.)

yeah no doubt it is a pretty stupid assumption now that you mention it. I'm not saying that a thoughtful set won't get me moving mind, more that there are a lot of these fans coming in from drum and bass and indie and stuff who don't have the patience to dance the night away to the slower stuff.

[biomat]

congratulations for the most retarded topic

[sleepwakah]

congratulations for the most retarded topic

agreed.

[shlomo]

Disagree completely, it's a totally relevant topic

I've been having this discussion recently

I agree with you Molloy about the excessive wobbles, someone like Skream seems to have the right balance with the bass.

I'm not sure about what you're saying about the ladies. it's amazing that there's fine women going to dub nights these days..it never used to be like that! Much better than spending a night with nothing but a crowd of sycophantic blokes.