Kode 9 at Audio Poverty

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:28 pm

an excerpt of Kode 9 b2b with kodwo eshun, doing a presentation at german conference audio poverty.

http://audiopoverty.de/?p=774

Woofah co-founder John Eden doing a bit here.

http://audiopoverty.de/?p=789

nesslei · Post by **nesslei** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:34 pm

thanks for the links! wikkid

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:23 pm

Don't really know what's going on there but I'd love to go!

funky stanton · Post by **funky stanton** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:43 pm

spooKs wrote:Don't really know what's going on there but I'd love to go!

The Long Tail is descibed pretty well on wikipedia and here is an explaination by Chris Anderson at a Long Now seminar. I'm not sure what they're talking about though, I dunno what a long tail virus would be (perhaps a description of supply and demand in a market facing infinite replication relatively free of transportation on storage costs, but virus?) and the Operating System of Audio Social Reality sounds like it could be the totality of music events, releases (indie and big four), radio, file sharing, second hand, word of mouth etc etc, but it could something else entirely cos is and audio futurology a futurology about or audio or futurology as audio.

I wanna hear the whole thing, anyone got a links?

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:12 pm

The full length versions are'nt up anywhere yet - if they exist. I am after them.

It's possible similar material will be in Kode's book, but who knows?

woofah · Post by **woofah** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:00 am

It was pretty deep.

Essentially (but not as well explained):

There is a pro and con discussion going on in economic circles about the long tail theory (do the numbers stack up, what to do about it etc).

K9 and K.E's position was that it doesn't matter if it is true or not because the theory itself is a way of trying to ensure that our vision of the future is restricted to commerce - it is a virus whose main intention is for us to see things in a particular way, whether or not the prediction itself comes true.

They were kind of citing afro-futurism and things like the 'ardkore continuum as possible (more open) ways of considering things in general but music in particular.

It was a bit of a mad weekend, all told.

Hopefully there will be more documentation because a lot of it was great. Steve's book is out on MIT in 6 months apparently but I think the text they delivered on Friday is new.

Steve also has an installation going in Berlin on sonic warfare which is pretty cool.

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:02 am

Funky Stanton wrote:
spooKs wrote:Don't really know what's going on there but I'd love to go!

The Long Tail is descibed pretty well on wikipedia and here is an explaination by Chris Anderson at a Long Now seminar. I'm not sure what they're talking about though, I dunno what a long tail virus would be (perhaps a description of supply and demand in a market facing infinite replication relatively free of transportation on storage costs, but virus?) and the Operating System of Audio Social Reality sounds like it could be the totality of music events, releases (indie and big four), radio, file sharing, second hand, word of mouth etc etc, but it could something else entirely cos is and audio futurology a futurology about or audio or futurology as audio.

I wanna hear the whole thing, anyone got a links?

Sounds interesting, I would read all this but I better keep to my 18th century shiz for now otherwise my tutors won't be happy. That Chris Anderson fellow looks like the Stasi officer in The Lives of Others though, if that's any use to anyone.

d+ · Post by d+ » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:08 am

WOOFAH wrote:It was pretty deep.

Essentially (but not as well explained):

There is a pro and con discussion going on in economic circles about the long tail theory (do the numbers stack up, what to do about it etc).

K9 and K.E's position was that it doesn't matter if it is true or not because the theory itself is a way of trying to ensure that our vision of the future is restricted to commerce - it is a virus whose main intention is for us to see things in a particular way, whether or not the prediction itself comes true.

They were kind of citing afro-futurism and things like the 'ardkore continuum as possible (more open) ways of considering things in general but music in particular.

It was a bit of a mad weekend, all told.

Hopefully there will be more documentation because a lot of it was great. Steve's book is out on MIT in 6 months apparently but I think the text they delivered on Friday is new.

Steve also has an installation going in Berlin on sonic warfare which is pretty cool.

who tf is steve

and is this virus a computer virus or some illness

i think im too stupid for all this

crowleyhead · Post by **crowleyhead** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:59 am

D+ wrote:
WOOFAH wrote:It was pretty deep.

Essentially (but not as well explained):

There is a pro and con discussion going on in economic circles about the long tail theory (do the numbers stack up, what to do about it etc).

K9 and K.E's position was that it doesn't matter if it is true or not because the theory itself is a way of trying to ensure that our vision of the future is restricted to commerce - it is a virus whose main intention is for us to see things in a particular way, whether or not the prediction itself comes true.

They were kind of citing afro-futurism and things like the 'ardkore continuum as possible (more open) ways of considering things in general but music in particular.

It was a bit of a mad weekend, all told.

Hopefully there will be more documentation because a lot of it was great. Steve's book is out on MIT in 6 months apparently but I think the text they delivered on Friday is new.

Steve also has an installation going in Berlin on sonic warfare which is pretty cool.
who tf is steve

and is this virus a computer virus or some illness

i think im too stupid for all this

Steve Goodman = Kode9.

Hyperdub's concept is that 'hardcore' music is like a virus. It exists, but then it has to mutate or it dies out.

Like... Hip-Hop/Ragga/Jungle/D'n'B/Garage/Grime/Dubstep/Funky....

It's why Kode9's next single is basically 'evil' funky. He's like "Okay, I did Dubstep... what happens if I try some Funky Tunes..."

enz benz · Post by **enz benz** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:49 pm

hey all!

we are working on a podcast for the complete eshun/goodman lecture.
gonna be up on AP blog (http://audiopoverty.de/) in the next couple days.

cheers, enz

funky stanton · Post by **funky stanton** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:55 pm

WOOFAH wrote: K9 and K.E's position was that it doesn't matter if it is true or not because the theory itself is a way of trying to ensure that our vision of the future is restricted to commerce - it is a virus whose main intention is for us to see things in a particular way, whether or not the prediction itself comes true.

Doesn't it just ensure that our commercial audio future is restricted to commerce? It's not stopping anyone creating art if they want to, it just relates to commerce doesn't it? I understand how long tail economics raise issues related to copyright extension that impact directly on certain art forms, but doesn't commerce in this sense just relate to commercial endeavours and not to audio entirely? I can't see how the big lobster claw of corporate optimism and pessimism of audio unit producers can really threaten the OS of our Audio Social Reality. Aren't people just ditching the old OS and installing some open source stuff that actually works? Copyright extension is wrong and damaging, but watching record companies flail around in their death throes after having stubbornly refused to embrace reality for so long is funny isn't it? I mean live performers suffered when radio came out, they tried to have it regulated etc. but technology won out, just as it is likely to do today, tough if your business model is no longer vaild. Information does want to be free and I can't see how it's not going to be, you can still make art but you just might not be able to have it as your business.

nesslei · Post by **nesslei** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:12 pm

WOOFAH wrote:K9 and K.E's position was that it doesn't matter if it is true or not because the theory itself is a way of trying to ensure that our vision of the future is restricted to commerce - it is a virus whose main intention is for us to see things in a particular way, whether or not the prediction itself comes true.

sounds awfully postmodern to me.

hegemonic theory 101. got completely wrapped up in this stuff at uni. the idea is more powerful than the reality that the idea conceptualises...

seen · Post by **seen** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:07 pm

...the sound of an idea more powerful than reality.

the exhibition in berlin looks seems to be very good, in fact searching for info about it i came across this.
http://www.batteryoperated.net/spirawl/
a fun flash site with a good dose of background info on sound and warfare.

i cant believe the book is still 6months away!
might have to resort to the men who stare at goats.

looking fwd to the full audio podcast, many thanks in advance.

enz benz · Post by **enz benz** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:49 pm

Currently setting up an archive/documentation section on Audio Poverty conference. Step by step all the material accumulated over the weekend in Berlin will be up for download.

Starting with the full audio for the exquisite Artist Talk that took place Saturday morning:

DJ/Rupture (New York), Brian Shimkovitz (aka Awesome Tapes From Africa) (New York), John Eden (Woofah, London), Kodwo Eshun (London) talk about the intermashing of poprization and interverse financilization of ‘new world music’, the role of blogs as hosts through which markets arrive by a discourse of pleasure/fandom, why germans are more exotic than africans and why there is no reason (at least for listeners) for pessimism in music.

Go here to download/listen: http://audiopoverty.de/?p=850

Full audio for the Kode9/Kodwo Eshun talk to follow.

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:09 pm

My uni library has that Kodwo Eshun book, I just wish I had time to read it - guess I shouldn't have done a degree in English Lit

seen · Post by **seen** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:10 pm

thoughts its worth a mention that 9 has just updated his blog, with links on 'nuum

enz benz · Post by **enz benz** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:54 am

latest: kode9/kodwo eshun long tail lecture now up for yr enjoyment: http://is.gd/kcZy
++ dj/rupture AP set - cumbia, bass, dub, sonic virus, schlachthofbronx, noise + more cumbia

enz benz · Post by **enz benz** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:33 pm

Full audio for John Eden's lecture 'Misadventures in music blogging' and a Reggae/Dub Set John played at AP together with Olaf Karnik are now available for streaming/download on the Audio Poverty Podcast page: http://audiopoverty.de/?page_id=840

seen · Post by **seen** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:34 pm

knowledge knowledge

juliun_c90 · Post by **juliun_c90** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:51 pm

strictly for those who consider the wire magazine to be 'a bit lightweight'.

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