Sub Bass?

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:33 pm

I got some feedback from some random foreign guy on myspace the other week and he commented that my tunes lacked sub bass...
As he was no producer and I wasn't in the mood for discussion with people who didn't really know what they were talking about, I didn't feel obliged replying to this geezer...

My question here is - what would he have meant by my tunes lacking sub bass?
The tunes are here http://myspace.com/whyrez

I assume a lot of you are making separate tracks from your wobble bass, LPFed versions of the wobble or sines following the same pattern?
Or are (what's classed as) sub basses following a different pattern to your wobbles altogether?

I think I basically just need re-educating on the definition of a sub bass?!

I haven't posted a thread in ages :\ How is everyone?!

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:41 pm

doing well!

thanks for asking

yeah man, you got it right...

I usually have another synth with the sub bass LPF'd and mixed

I used to try to get the punch and proper rumble from the same synth thats running my talking or wobbling bass but screw that.

edit: and myspace will screw up your mixdown

f**k that encoder

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:44 pm

FSTZ wrote: I usually have another synth with the sub bass LPF'd and mixed

Following the entire pattern of the wobble or just the distinctive notes? Or playing an entirely different pattern?

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:46 pm

WiREZ wrote:
FSTZ wrote: I usually have another synth with the sub bass LPF'd and mixed
Following the entire pattern of the wobble or just the distinctive notes? Or playing an entirely different pattern?

Also, do you modulate the sub bass LFO as well, or leave it un-modulated?

What do you do with the wobble to ensure it doesn't clash with your sub?!

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:57 pm

modulating sub bass with LFO can be disasterous!

and I often have the sub bass follow the wobbler note for note (this can get tricky with portamento, etc...)

in order to get it to not clash with the wobble, I use a relatively transparent sine and like I said low pass it so all you hear is -40 or -50hz

mix it so it doesn't intefere with the main bass. If you havent gone crazy with semitones or 5ths or anything... it should work.

what you want s a physical backing to the main bass, so try and make it seem as if it's one sound

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:22 pm

nowaysj wrote: Can someone explain this - you have two subs, they both peak at the same db, essentially taking the same headroom, but one is quiet and the other is loud?

Could that not be that one is louder in a lower freq and your speakers don't respond that low?

nowaysj wrote:Parasite - there is sub in there, sounds pretty high in most spots (before the wobbles come in) more like 70-80hz, though it does dip down.

But when the warbles come in, something funky happens w/ the sub. Maybe the warbles themselves are too low?

Kiwi cake, seems like the sub is mixed too low in db.

I tend to drop out 'subs' when my wobbles come in because I try to emulate them with different osc in my synth, but it seems this isn't the way to do it!

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:24 pm

FSTZ wrote:modulating sub bass with LFO can be disasterous!

and I often have the sub bass follow the wobbler note for note (this can get tricky with portamento, etc...)

in order to get it to not clash with the wobble, I use a relatively transparent sine and like I said low pass it so all you hear is -40 or -50hz

mix it so it doesn't intefere with the main bass. If you havent gone crazy with semitones or 5ths or anything... it should work.

what you want s a physical backing to the main bass, so try and make it seem as if it's one sound

Wicked man you've completely cleared up my question nice one!

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:32 pm

nowaysj wrote:
WiREZ wrote:Could that not be that one is louder in a lower freq and your speakers don't respond that low?
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Yeah, no. Some subs reading at the same db are louder than others.

Yeh but could the 'quiet' ones not be loud at a low frequency that your speakers aren't picking up? Either that or your analyser is dodgey lol

mr ads · Post by **mr ads** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:44 pm

id imagine your room acoustics would also have quite an impact on the volume of the sub at different frequencys too

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:08 pm

standard!!!!

3za · Post by **3za** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:09 pm

blunt-dmo · Post by **blunt-dmo** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:40 pm

Hurtdeer wrote:you'd be better off asking him what he meant, rather than writing him off for not producing and then asking a bunch of producers what they thought he meant :/

none of us write the music we do just for other producers, "normal" people get a kick out of it too, and can still talk about it. He might be talking out of his ass, but, well, I'm not a director and I can still talk about what I like and don't like about movies

+1

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:48 pm

Hurtdeer wrote:you'd be better off asking him what he meant, rather than writing him off for not producing and then asking a bunch of producers what they thought he meant :/

none of us write the music we do just for other producers, "normal" people get a kick out of it too, and can still talk about it. He might be talking out of his ass, but, well, I'm not a director and I can still talk about what I like and don't like about movies

Yeh alright cuntsey, you're obviously quite a critic then as you're constantly picking up on little things on threads that people 'might need putting in their place about'.

I already said I'd got my satisfaction from this thread, didn't need your input.

Now obviously I know people other than producers listen to music. The fact is I had ONE person saying about this and wanted producers feedback on the matter, not stnuc feedback, producers feedback.

Next time I post a thread, save yourself from replying.

droskidubz · Post by **droskidubz** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:55 pm

ppl be trollin in resolved threads?
OP, nice tunes btw.

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:56 pm

droskidubz wrote:ppl be trollin in resolved threads?

Look through the forum, he's always got somebody to put his geeky finger up about.

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