shameless self promotion on this forum is getting very dull

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:34 pm

Shamwow wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:
hibbie05 wrote:Could you not just take this as constructive critism?? You should think about the image your creating for your label. It's not all about sales.
"Don't take this personally, but..."

and then you unleash the constructive criticism yea?

Don't take this personally but I have no respect for... etc...

yea, constructive.

At this point there's nothing left to say. You agree it's good music and under another circumstance you'd buy it. Either you'll buy it or you won't. Odds are if you'd never have heard of it, you'd not be buying it then either. Oh well. You do you, I do me.
I simply don't like your label or what ever you are because you are using the Scriptina font.

In that case, your beef is with Shiva, who is completely to blame for the font. I prefer Verdana myself.

kapital · Post by **kapital** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:43 am

hibbie05 wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:
seckle wrote:
everyone needs to step away from the keyboard on this one. too much crazy energy in this thread.

i'm not a hippy, but the one thing i've learned about musical movements down the years like the grateful dead and woodstock, is that if you look at a group of people like consumers, then at least make sure you treat them as friends first.

once you forget that key point; then you might as well be selling people burgers and kebabs, instead of subbass.
And I think the reason I am pissed about this is because I have ALWAYS approached people as friends first. And I am sick of being slagged over some wacked out perception people have about my or my label partner's motivations.

I know this thread wasn't originally necessarily aimed just at us, but that's where it has headed, because people chose to specifically highlight us.

Pardon me for being a little chapped about it.
Ok don't take this too personnel but I have no respect for your label and i have been put off from purchasing anything to do with surface tension, I know that is highly arrogant but that is how i feel, this is all down to your "promoting" methods. It all seems way too desperate like you've tried every promoting method and this is your last resort. You can easily sit there and say that I don't know anything about running a label and your right I don't but i do know what i respect and why i respect it. If your vinyl release appeared on the chemical records just arrived section without all your desperate promotion then It would probably be sitting in my vinyl bag right now ready to be heard by people. Yes I have listened to it and it is good quality but because there's so many other good releases out there it is hard to choose from, but you just made it that bit easier to remove from the basket.

There are a lot of people on here that promote themselves or their label and i'm fine with it, I listen to them and comment if it's good, so please don't think that i've got something against self promotion because I haven't. But you must ask yourself why you have all these as you say "haters".

LOL your sig is gold...I saw that dialogue between the two viewers and almost fell off my chair laughing.

Sorry to get off topic.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:02 am

beatlejuice wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote: I have ALWAYS approached people as friends first.
Houston...we have a problem!

Not sure what this meant, but I think it's important to know that there are two people involved in ST. Just so's ya know...

Hibbie · Post by **Hibbie** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:12 am

Surface_Tension wrote:
hibbie05 wrote:Could you not just take this as constructive critism?? You should think about the image your creating for your label. It's not all about sales.
"Don't take this personally, but..."

and then you unleash the constructive criticism yea?

Don't take this personally but I have no respect for... etc...

yea, constructive.

At this point there's nothing left to say. You agree it's good music and under another circumstance you'd buy it. Either you'll buy it or you won't. Odds are if you'd never have heard of it, you'd not be buying it then either. Oh well. You do you, I do me.

erm if you read what I said then you would of noticed that I said "don't take this TOO personnel" obviously your going to take it personnel, i just didn't want you to cry about it

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:45 am

unlikely wrote:yea, no slate to you Shiva as i have always respected your music, online persona and politics, but you can't really blame people for associating the personality of your partner with your label when he posts under the name of the label, with the logo as avatar.

Well, if I remember correctly, the topic of this thread was self-promotion, not ST sucks, and not the politics or personality of my partner. And yet, people have brought their personal feelings to bear in this discussion.

Let's stick to the topic at hand, shall we? Instead of beating an already dead horse to a bloody pulp.

hibbie05 wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:
seckle wrote:
everyone needs to step away from the keyboard on this one. too much crazy energy in this thread.

i'm not a hippy, but the one thing i've learned about musical movements down the years like the grateful dead and woodstock, is that if you look at a group of people like consumers, then at least make sure you treat them as friends first.

once you forget that key point; then you might as well be selling people burgers and kebabs, instead of subbass.
And I think the reason I am pissed about this is because I have ALWAYS approached people as friends first. And I am sick of being slagged over some wacked out perception people have about my or my label partner's motivations.

I know this thread wasn't originally necessarily aimed just at us, but that's where it has headed, because people chose to specifically highlight us.

Pardon me for being a little chapped about it.
Ok don't take this too personnel but I have no respect for your label and i have been put off from purchasing anything to do with surface tension, I know that is highly arrogant but that is how i feel, this is all down to your "promoting" methods. It all seems way too desperate like you've tried every promoting method and this is your last resort. You can easily sit there and say that I don't know anything about running a label and your right I don't but i do know what i respect and why i respect it. If your vinyl release appeared on the chemical records just arrived section without all your desperate promotion then It would probably be sitting in my vinyl bag right now ready to be heard by people. Yes I have listened to it and it is good quality but because there's so many other good releases out there it is hard to choose from, but you just made it that bit easier to remove from the basket.

There are a lot of people on here that promote themselves or their label and i'm fine with it, I listen to them and comment if it's good, so please don't think that i've got something against self promotion because I haven't. But you must ask yourself why you have all these as you say "haters".

First off, you don't know me, or any of what I do to promote. My partner and I have different roles, and we both do what we are supposed to do: get the music out there. Our promotion was never desperate, as we know the quality music we have to offer. Maybe if you listened and gave a shit about what really counts (i.e. the music) you would know that.

But instead you care about who bumps a fucking thread. Really?

This stupid whiny bullshit is too pathetic for me to even contemplate anymore. Carry on with your whinging, and I will carry on finding good music.

Have a day.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:47 am

I won't cry about it. I'm a grown ass man bro. I'm not too bothered overall. People can talk with their wallets. I believe in the free market and that you and I as buyers are the "market."

I support your decision, regardless of whether or not you buy something from me. I encourage you to make your own choices and be your own man/woman. If me promoting offends you, then by all means don't buy the records. Sorry to lose your patronage. I recommend supporting the artists who are producing great tunes. In the end, the label isn't going to make money trust me.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:53 am

Just stopping through to mention there is a sale on crazy and I'm all stocked up.

beatlejuice · Post by **beatlejuice** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:05 am

bump...heh!

claw · Post by **claw** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:32 am

Buy our fucking songs.

-trillbass

Xoxoxo

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:21 pm

yea sorry not really on topic i was just remarking on your previous response, and the wider issue of personalities or particular voices and their effect on the organizations they are a part of. I personally have no issues with your pr beyond my absence on your mailing list

Hibbie · Post by **Hibbie** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:50 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:
unlikely wrote:yea, no slate to you Shiva as i have always respected your music, online persona and politics, but you can't really blame people for associating the personality of your partner with your label when he posts under the name of the label, with the logo as avatar.
Well, if I remember correctly, the topic of this thread was self-promotion, not ST sucks, and not the politics or personality of my partner. And yet, people have brought their personal feelings to bear in this discussion.

Let's stick to the topic at hand, shall we? Instead of beating an already dead horse to a bloody pulp.

hibbie05 wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:
seckle wrote:
everyone needs to step away from the keyboard on this one. too much crazy energy in this thread.

i'm not a hippy, but the one thing i've learned about musical movements down the years like the grateful dead and woodstock, is that if you look at a group of people like consumers, then at least make sure you treat them as friends first.

once you forget that key point; then you might as well be selling people burgers and kebabs, instead of subbass.
And I think the reason I am pissed about this is because I have ALWAYS approached people as friends first. And I am sick of being slagged over some wacked out perception people have about my or my label partner's motivations.

I know this thread wasn't originally necessarily aimed just at us, but that's where it has headed, because people chose to specifically highlight us.

Pardon me for being a little chapped about it.
Ok don't take this too personnel but I have no respect for your label and i have been put off from purchasing anything to do with surface tension, I know that is highly arrogant but that is how i feel, this is all down to your "promoting" methods. It all seems way too desperate like you've tried every promoting method and this is your last resort. You can easily sit there and say that I don't know anything about running a label and your right I don't but i do know what i respect and why i respect it. If your vinyl release appeared on the chemical records just arrived section without all your desperate promotion then It would probably be sitting in my vinyl bag right now ready to be heard by people. Yes I have listened to it and it is good quality but because there's so many other good releases out there it is hard to choose from, but you just made it that bit easier to remove from the basket.

There are a lot of people on here that promote themselves or their label and i'm fine with it, I listen to them and comment if it's good, so please don't think that i've got something against self promotion because I haven't. But you must ask yourself why you have all these as you say "haters".
First off, you don't know me, or any of what I do to promote. My partner and I have different roles, and we both do what we are supposed to do: get the music out there. Our promotion was never desperate, as we know the quality music we have to offer. Maybe if you listened and gave a shit about what really counts (i.e. the music) you would know that.

But instead you care about who bumps a fucking thread. Really?

This stupid whiny bullshit is too pathetic for me to even contemplate anymore. Carry on with your whinging, and I will carry on finding good music.

Have a day.

Look i said that your label comes across as desperate ok end off, it is an OPINION, if you can't learn from criticism then you ain't gonna get very far, Whinging?? ha your winging right now, you could of handled this in a much better way but instead it's just made things worse. Like I said image counts for a lot. I'm not gonna bother looking at this post again so you might as well just give in. If you do reply then wow how busy is your label.

Hibbie · Post by **Hibbie** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:50 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:
unlikely wrote:yea, no slate to you Shiva as i have always respected your music, online persona and politics, but you can't really blame people for associating the personality of your partner with your label when he posts under the name of the label, with the logo as avatar.
Well, if I remember correctly, the topic of this thread was self-promotion, not ST sucks, and not the politics or personality of my partner. And yet, people have brought their personal feelings to bear in this discussion.

Let's stick to the topic at hand, shall we? Instead of beating an already dead horse to a bloody pulp.

hibbie05 wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:
seckle wrote:
everyone needs to step away from the keyboard on this one. too much crazy energy in this thread.

i'm not a hippy, but the one thing i've learned about musical movements down the years like the grateful dead and woodstock, is that if you look at a group of people like consumers, then at least make sure you treat them as friends first.

once you forget that key point; then you might as well be selling people burgers and kebabs, instead of subbass.
And I think the reason I am pissed about this is because I have ALWAYS approached people as friends first. And I am sick of being slagged over some wacked out perception people have about my or my label partner's motivations.

I know this thread wasn't originally necessarily aimed just at us, but that's where it has headed, because people chose to specifically highlight us.

Pardon me for being a little chapped about it.
Ok don't take this too personnel but I have no respect for your label and i have been put off from purchasing anything to do with surface tension, I know that is highly arrogant but that is how i feel, this is all down to your "promoting" methods. It all seems way too desperate like you've tried every promoting method and this is your last resort. You can easily sit there and say that I don't know anything about running a label and your right I don't but i do know what i respect and why i respect it. If your vinyl release appeared on the chemical records just arrived section without all your desperate promotion then It would probably be sitting in my vinyl bag right now ready to be heard by people. Yes I have listened to it and it is good quality but because there's so many other good releases out there it is hard to choose from, but you just made it that bit easier to remove from the basket.

There are a lot of people on here that promote themselves or their label and i'm fine with it, I listen to them and comment if it's good, so please don't think that i've got something against self promotion because I haven't. But you must ask yourself why you have all these as you say "haters".
First off, you don't know me, or any of what I do to promote. My partner and I have different roles, and we both do what we are supposed to do: get the music out there. Our promotion was never desperate, as we know the quality music we have to offer. Maybe if you listened and gave a shit about what really counts (i.e. the music) you would know that.

But instead you care about who bumps a fucking thread. Really?

This stupid whiny bullshit is too pathetic for me to even contemplate anymore. Carry on with your whinging, and I will carry on finding good music.

Have a day.

Look i said that your label comes across as desperate ok end off, it is an OPINION, if you can't learn from criticism then you ain't gonna get very far, Whinging?? ha your winging right now, you could of handled this in a much better way but instead it's just made things worse. Like I said image counts for a lot. I'm not gonna bother looking at this post again so you might as well just give in. If you do reply then wow how busy is your label.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:27 pm

I have a brand new child that came screaming into the world a week and 1 day ago and a label and lots of other obligations filling my day.

It only takes a few moments to respond to you, so don't take this as a sign that we're not busy. We certainly are busy. I imagine for the last week I'm probably among the busiest here. Look man if you have an issue with a person or an organization that doesn't belong in this public section of the forum, you need to settle it through a PM. You're the one that is out of line here with your comments.

When mention is made of whining, ask who is here complaining and who is here responding to bad publicity. You = whining about us. Us = responding to you. You brought our name into this. You can put a quick end to this buy leaving our name out of your mouth, or by taking your beef to my PM box. What I have learned from you in this thread is that it's all about the approach you make to people... if you come off like a dick, people will think you are a dick right? That's your point?

Take your own advice. I'm here 100% to promote music. 100% of the time I do, with the exception of a while back where I got involved in political discussion. In ANOTHER section of the forum, which discussions like that happen to take place in. Again, if having a mind of my own is a non starter for you, I encourage you to crack open a nice, tall, ice cold can of shut the fuck up.

If you honestly can't be bothered to buy our records(that we put out by OTHER PEOPLE) then I don't have much more to say about it myself. So I'll let Tool fill in the blanks.

This track is my response to you...

I, met a boy, wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope beastie-tee, nipple rings,
New tattoos that claim that he
Was OGT,
back in '92,
from the first EP.

And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.

Well now I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

And if I'm the man,

Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And then you bought one.

I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

Shut up and

Buy, buy, buy, my new record
Buy, buy, buy, send more money
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:37 pm

mike honcho · Post by **mike honcho** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:33 am

this thread is a joke.

mike honcho · Post by **mike honcho** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:34 am

oh by the way peep the latest Filthy release: 017 - its nasty.

see retailers in my sig.

mike honcho · Post by **mike honcho** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:36 am

www.digital-tunes.net

www.addictech.com

www.dubsteprecords.com

HA.

mike honcho · Post by **mike honcho** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:42 am

claw wrote:Buy our fucking songs.

-trillbass

Xoxoxo

Love it Claw

sigbowls · Post by **sigbowls** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:43 am

Surface_Tension wrote:And in between
Sips of Coke

his mouth was num

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:13 am

the only way we can turn this thread into something useful is by continuing to post promo
so gents, please carry on!

shameless self promotion on this forum is getting very dull

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