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Post by jaybird » Sun May 03, 2009 10:44 am

Surface_Tension wrote:Having the technology to steal doesn't give you the right to steal. I could have a crowbar, but if I crack you in the head with that shit, I go to prison. I can't pull the old "but I had a crowbar" routine when the coppers roll up.

What I mean, is just because you have access to stolen shit doesn't mean you should take advantage of it. On a base level it's wrong. It's illegal. You can call it practicing civil disobedience or whatever, but at the end of the day it's stealing and it is a crime in most countries on the planet.

The problem is that people feel like they are entitled. Not too long ago, you'd either hear something on the radio, at home or in a club, but you only had a few choices for media to play it on. Now you have infinite access to music and you feel entitled to hear the entire tune. Fair play, all of our releases are able to be streamed in their entirety on our blog in decent quality.

But I promise you that socialism only works if people give back what they take from the system financially. If you just take and never support the art, there won't be nearly the same amount of art and some quality artists may not be able to afford their hobby. For a lot of people it would be a dream to eek out a meager living from their craft and that sense of entitlement can kill that shit real fast.
I completely agree.. if nobody buys it, then less people will make it, except the ones that would make it if people bought it or not...

My question is tho.. How much money do you lose, and how much promotion do you gain?

coz if the first out weights the latter, then I am utterly opposed, but if its the opposite then no harm no foul, imo..
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Post by keirondrk » Sun May 03, 2009 11:18 am

Surface_Tension wrote:Having the technology to steal doesn't give you the right to steal. I could have a crowbar, but if I crack you in the head with that shit, I go to prison. I can't pull the old "but I had a crowbar" routine when the coppers roll up.

What I mean, is just because you have access to stolen shit doesn't mean you should take advantage of it. On a base level it's wrong. It's illegal. You can call it practicing civil disobedience or whatever, but at the end of the day it's stealing and it is a crime in most countries on the planet.

The problem is that people feel like they are entitled. Not too long ago, you'd either hear something on the radio, at home or in a club, but you only had a few choices for media to play it on. Now you have infinite access to music and you feel entitled to hear the entire tune. Fair play, all of our releases are able to be streamed in their entirety on our blog in decent quality.

But I promise you that socialism only works if people give back what they take from the system financially. If you just take and never support the art, there won't be nearly the same amount of art and some quality artists may not be able to afford their hobby. For a lot of people it would be a dream to eek out a meager living from their craft and that sense of entitlement can kill that shit real fast.
I agree, to fund what you love I buy all of my music on cd / vinyl digital whatevers available .. some cases digital and vinyl version. My bank balance shows it eakkk, must slow down!...
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Post by arsenic » Sun May 03, 2009 11:29 am

Surface_Tension wrote:The problem is that people feel like they are entitled. Not too long ago, you'd either hear something on the radio, at home or in a club, but you only had a few choices for media to play it on. Now you have infinite access to music and you feel entitled to hear the entire tune. Fair play, all of our releases are able to be streamed in their entirety on our blog in decent quality.

But I promise you that socialism only works if people give back what they take from the system financially. If you just take and never support the art, there won't be nearly the same amount of art and some quality artists may not be able to afford their hobby. For a lot of people it would be a dream to eek out a meager living from their craft and that sense of entitlement can kill that shit real fast.
ultimately I agree with your points, I just think you're going it about it the entirely wrong way. In this world, the consumer wins and is right, regardless of what you think is best for them...if you wanna make shiz for yourself and your buddies, by all means do so...but never, ever bitch about sales or popularity if you take that route.

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Post by dj ld » Sun May 03, 2009 11:57 am

Buying digital just feels like going with the flow and doing what the masses do. I like to go against the grain a bit and dont like being steered by big business.

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Post by arsenic » Sun May 03, 2009 12:00 pm

dj ld wrote:Buying digital just feels like going with the flow and doing what the masses do. I like to go against the grain a bit and dont like being steered by big business.
independent labels? big business?

surely you jest

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Post by dj ld » Sun May 03, 2009 12:01 pm

Apple = big business

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Post by arsenic » Sun May 03, 2009 12:08 pm

i'm a PC, and proud of it :lol:

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Post by dj ld » Sun May 03, 2009 12:13 pm

i'm a PC, and proud of it
Itunes and Ipod are Apple brands in case you didnt realise. I'm talking about the bigger picture here,not necesarily just music. Digital technology in general is more about making money than any real benefit to the consumer.

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Post by arsenic » Sun May 03, 2009 12:16 pm

dj ld wrote:
i'm a PC, and proud of it
Itunes and Ipod are Apple brands in case you didnt realise. I'm talking about the bigger picture here,not necesarily just music. Digital technology in general is more about making money than any real benefit to the consumer.
I run a creative zen for my mp3 player needs (who, btw...apple jacked their idea), and would never consider installing a piece of trash such as iTunes on my computer

I do get what you're saying tho...but me, I'm far beyond brands, as I actually know wtf I'm doing around a computer

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Post by etidorhpa » Sun May 03, 2009 12:37 pm

Digital technology in general is more about making money than any real benefit to the consumer.
Technological advancement is about allowing humans to use their brain less. Bringing to mind the title of the recent Harmonic 313 album.....

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Post by Horza » Sun May 03, 2009 2:18 pm

I do agree with the point that it is entirely up to the artist/label to release their tunes on whatever format they choose to. However I do believe that if you choose to release on vinyl only you must be prepared for SOME people to steal your tunes.

I am not condoning the act of theft however alot of people don't own turntables or cannot afford vinyl in this day and age and I fully understand the fact that if a consumer cannot (through no fault of their own) obtain a track legally then they will obtain it illegally.

I have recently bought Traktor Scrath Pro as I can no longer afford to keep buying vinyl. I have never played out a tune I haven't bought legally and never will but I can definitely see why people do obtain tunes illegally as there is no other cost effective way of purchasing them.

Anyone else payed 6quid a record and only liked one side?

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Post by dj ld » Sun May 03, 2009 2:34 pm

The cost of buying vinyl has always acted as a quality control for me, I cant afford to buy every release that I like,so have to be selective. Over time this means you build up a nice collection. The trouble is these days people want to have every record ,not just the ones they really want - which is why they think that they cant afford vinyl. As someone said earlier CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME.

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Post by steshine » Sun May 03, 2009 2:42 pm

dj ld wrote:The cost of buying vinyl has always acted as a quality control for me, I cant afford to buy every release that I like,so have to be selective. Over time this means you build up a nice collection. The trouble is these days people want to have every record ,not just the ones they really want - which is why they think that they cant afford vinyl. As someone said earlier CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME.
WORD!
People always are like, "i've got 100gb of music", but at the end of the day, so what!?
Having the cost makes you appreciate great tunes more and your record collection can b unique, rather than having an i-pod identical to the next "dubstep fan".
Having limitations on media production is a great idea and it should never change.
Fuck digital, buy the record, and if you want it on your i-pod, record it and put it on there yourself.

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Post by arsenic » Sun May 03, 2009 3:00 pm

steshine wrote:Fuck digital, buy the record, and if you want it on your i-pod, record it and put it on there yourself.
no, fuck you

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Post by Horza » Sun May 03, 2009 3:04 pm

To be honest you should always have quality control regardless of the audio format/price, don't feel thats a valid argument to be honest.

I always get like 20 tunes (digital or vinyl) in my crate and then whittle that down to 10 items. And thats not regarding the price its as you say quality control :)

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Post by Horza » Sun May 03, 2009 3:08 pm

steshine wrote:
dj ld wrote:The cost of buying vinyl has always acted as a quality control for me, I cant afford to buy every release that I like,so have to be selective. Over time this means you build up a nice collection. The trouble is these days people want to have every record ,not just the ones they really want - which is why they think that they cant afford vinyl. As someone said earlier CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME.
WORD!
People always are like, "i've got 100gb of music", but at the end of the day, so what!?
Having the cost makes you appreciate great tunes more and your record collection can b unique, rather than having an i-pod identical to the next "dubstep fan".
Having limitations on media production is a great idea and it should never change.
Fuck digital, buy the record, and if you want it on your i-pod, record it and put it on there yourself.
So lets say I really like 10 Dubstep tunes its not going to make me spend £200 on a turntable, 50quid on a cartridge n needle, plus another few hundred on a decent soundsystem just so I can own those few songs.

So as someone else said... no, fuck you :)

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Post by abZ » Sun May 03, 2009 3:11 pm

Horza wrote:To be honest you should always have quality control regardless of the audio format/price, don't feel thats a valid argument to be honest.

I always get like 20 tunes (digital or vinyl) in my crate and then whittle that down to 10 items. And thats not regarding the price its as you say quality control :)
Yep! I don't buy tunes I am not going to listen to regardless of format. If anything digital has refined my quality control. Before I would have to buy an entire EP for one good tune. Now I can just buy that one tune! Those 3 shite tunes don't have to be in my collection anymore. Think about it.

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Post by seckle » Sun May 03, 2009 3:25 pm

steshine wrote:
dj ld wrote:The cost of buying vinyl has always acted as a quality control for me, I cant afford to buy every release that I like,so have to be selective. Over time this means you build up a nice collection. The trouble is these days people want to have every record ,not just the ones they really want - which is why they think that they cant afford vinyl. As someone said earlier CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME.
WORD!
People always are like, "i've got 100gb of music", but at the end of the day, so what!?
Having the cost makes you appreciate great tunes more and your record collection can b unique, rather than having an i-pod identical to the next "dubstep fan".
Having limitations on media production is a great idea and it should never change.
Fuck digital, buy the record, and if you want it on your i-pod, record it and put it on there yourself.
this is the thing.

when you pay nearly £1000 pounds to have something mastered and laquered, you're treating that creative effort with that much more scrutiny and precision.

you could have all the mastering plugins in the world, and be really good at mixdowns, but the process of having tunes run through another set of equipment and ears, means that the results are nearly perfect or as good as they could possibly be.

people seem to forget that this is a scene built on the power of the sound...the precision in the subbass. if you listen to early horsepower or even loefah,mala or any of the big apple releases, they're at such a high standard in production that no one could ignore it. this scene and the early jungle scene (93-97) before it, started around the culture of the cutting house....meaning....everyone would cut dubs at the same two or three places. this is why the early metalheadz and the rest of those pioneering labels made such a huge impact. cutting houses, before the days of myspace and blogs, were the only way that one producer could hear what other producers were doing...before the tunes hit the club. this created a competitive sound culture, where you tried to stay competitive with other producers and other sounds. everyone pushing each other....

jamaica in the 60's and 70's had the same cutting house culture, where one cutting house would try to outdo the next one...for sound power. read up on tubby or coxsone or any of those production houses and you can see why they've become legendary.

vinyl, by default creates its own legacy which can be passed onwards. what legacy do you have with a 80gb harddrive? at the end of the day its not the format thats the issue, its the issue of quality control and the end result.
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Post by Horza » Sun May 03, 2009 3:36 pm

Word ABZ! The Titan Ep off Ram Records, one absolute gem and the rest filler! Another release I paid 12quid for with only one decent track... :(

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Post by abZ » Sun May 03, 2009 3:42 pm

Horza wrote:Word ABZ! The Titan Ep off Ram Records, one absolute gem and the rest filler! Another release I paid 12quid for with only one decent track... :(
I am sure there are better examples! I like a couple tunes on that one :6:

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