is anybody else sick of banger after banger after banger?

reverend dale · Post by **reverend dale** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:27 pm

TEST RECORDINGS wrote:I wouldn't mind if they were better produced! Quality has got WORSE in past two years, too much has got a 8-16bit edge on it and it sounds crap

you see, I hate music that is so highly produced and polished you can see your face in it. I love the old DAT recordings where you can hear the imperfections of analogue recording - 'Great Gig in the Sky' springs to mind. The last piano not contorts because of dodgy recording gear and tapes in the seventies, it's sublime, you can't add magic like that - it just happens by chance and these days it would be removed.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:39 pm

Sympathize with Rosko's feeling the need to deliver unsubtle sets cos the audience has changed.
But I'm agreeing with Slothrop:
It seemed like things were going that way in London a year or two ago but now I can barely move for DJs who'll go from bumpy garage to tearout wobble to deep deep medi and back again
Long-term ds djs here are diversifying madly & leaving the harstep torture to nubes.

.spec · Post by **.spec** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:52 pm

To me nothing is worse than showing up at a night at 11:00 or whenever and having the opening DJ play banging tune after banging tune. What ever happened to having some progression to a night, or building up to a headliner. I'm not saying that opening DJs need to bow to the headliner and hold back, but when I go to a show and 3 out of 3 DJs drop Rock Tha Bells (in between an hour or more each of crazy wobble) something is wrong.

Overall though the problem that I see coming of this is that the sound is going to become saturated and dubstep is going to be thought of as "the crazy, hyper-aggressive, ludicrous wobble" genre and not only is that going to keep new people from getting interested in the music but it's also just going to act to further JUST that sound. There's so much awesome dubstep that's got so much soul in it that it'd be a shame to have things end up focused into just one sound.

It's just like the person above me who talked about it being like eating sweets all the time. It may be cool for right then, but eventually you're going to get sick.

.spec · Post by **.spec** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:53 pm

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cyrusfx · Post by **cyrusfx** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:02 pm

I think the music changes when the motivation behind the music changes...

Sorry to dispel the magic with analysis, but there are few motivations for making music if you stop to think about it.

The purest form of artistic creation is art made for art's sake, and that will always be the most sincere category of art. You have a vision or you feel a compulsion to be creative and you actualize it.

The dubstep pioneers were doing exactly that -- they weren't aiming to sound like anything in specific but they felt the desire to create.

Nowadays a lot of producers make tracks (any popular genre, not just dubstep) with the intention of specifically trying to sound like something/somebody. Or _trying_ to sound "dancey" or "heavy" instead of making art for art's sake.

And I think as mindful consumers we pick up on that -- this is an objective phenomenon that allows us to decide whether or not music sounds "fake" or "real."

yes the bottom line for any label is to make money, but that doesn't give you an excuse to produce products instead of art, or to attempt to trick people into thinking you are making genuine "art."

louder · Post by **louder** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:06 pm

Dead Rats wrote:I like banger after banger live, especially when everyones going batshit crazy. On mixes, it can get a little boring.

DING DING DING!!!

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:06 pm

Crypt wrote:a standard wobble track just can't seem to make me dance anymore.. A Mala track however just puts a smile on my face, just that feeling of closing your eyes and enjoying all the different elements of the track That are the tunes I can't stop dancing to..

It really annoys me when people imply that if you prefer a bit of depth and diversity in a set to wall to wall bangers it's because you're some sort of tedious scenester who'd rather stroke their chin and write an essay about the hihat arrangement than get crazy and dance. When for a lot of people it's the edge of not knowing where things are going to go next that actually gets them going.

Horses for courses and it's not like people want to go out and hear straightforward boshy anthems are sizan or paedophiles, it's just not what I'm after in a night out. That's why I seek out names like Kode 9 or Chef or Oneman or Anti Social or Pinch or Ben UFO or Dusk & Blackdown and don't bother with a bunch of others. But I guess it's a lot easier to be chilled and understanding if you're somewhere like London where that's on a lot - I can easily go out and hear that sort of stuff every weekend if I put the effort in to find out about it. It's not suprising if people who get about one dubstep night within 500 miles of them per month get a bit frustrated and ranty if it's always wall to wall bangers...

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:03 pm

omdz 2006
it's just not the same at all
i can name barely five producers who produce tracks to that standard
and none of those produce the same kind of dubstep we had back in 2006
who's making shit like "bury da bwoy" !?
I used to actually go fucking nutz to that tune. no wobble in sight!
now it's like at the slightest sign of a wobble you feel like you owe it to someone to brokout. it's like a sign saying "applaud now". courtesy
and most of the time all the aggression sounds so forced and so fake. farcical. and then skream goes and makes trapped in a dark bubble and its like 100% more menacing, 100% more heavy than black widow spider or whatever. And the tunes that have the wobble without the aggression - just some bait "might as well" ting. and then next next next self conscious "ambient" dubstep which is SOOO boring like omdz mans dun stuck an uninspired melody on a halfstep beat with no bass weight. it's elevator music!
dun no the rant

.spec · Post by **.spec** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:13 pm

soundbwoy wrote:omdz 2006
and then skream goes and makes trapped in a dark bubble and its like 100% more menacing, 100% more heavy than black widow spider or whatever.

Fuck this is so true. I'm not the hugest Skream fan, although I can appropriate what he and others have done for the sound, but Trapped is such a dark tune and doesn't have to pummel you over the head with it.

It's like watching some Alfred Hitchcock movie vs some Friday the 13th shit. One knows how to be dark and be subtle about it, and other only knows how to go "BOO LOOK AT ME THE BIG SCARY MONSTER RAWR"

Cosine · Post by **Cosine** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:50 pm

.spec wrote:
soundbwoy wrote:omdz 2006
and then skream goes and makes trapped in a dark bubble and its like 100% more menacing, 100% more heavy than black widow spider or whatever.
Fuck this is so true. I'm not the hugest Skream fan, although I can appropriate what he and others have done for the sound, but Trapped is such a dark tune and doesn't have to pummel you over the head with it.

It's like watching some Alfred Hitchcock movie vs some Friday the 13th shit. One knows how to be dark and be subtle about it, and other only knows how to go "BOO LOOK AT ME THE BIG SCARY MONSTER RAWR"

Exactly, its that dread bass thats like menacing. Like the original John Carpenter Halloween, its not in your face, its that eerieness that made it so scary. Tracks like Haunted by DMZ, that old sound hasn't been truly captured in so long.

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:56 pm

Haunted / AWDis probably* the best dubstep 12..... ever
*definitely

Cosine · Post by **Cosine** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:05 am

i dream of having that vinyl hahah

artlab · Post by **artlab** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:09 am

gwa wrote:Neither do I mate, but if you want to go off thread some more and waffle yet even some more tripe, DOA is for you.

DOA isn't that ba.....

..... as you were.

signus · Post by **signus** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:26 am

TEST RECORDINGS wrote:I wouldn't mind if they were better produced!

THIS! So many of the "bangers" I hear these days sound like they took about 30 minutes to make and are only slightly different to the last tune I heard from that producer.

It's not that I only want deep tunes at all, because there are shitly produced deep tunes as well but quality control needs to be stepped up a gear these days, too many people releasing tunes to make a quick buck.

At the end of the day though it is evident that the crowds (especially people who are relatively new to the sound) want wobble and they will get it by the bucket load until they are sick of it. It just irritates me that I can tell some one I'm a Dubstep DJ and they will laugh because the only Dubstep they have heard is blatant, wobble, wank house, knock out 15 tunes a daystep and so they think that's what it's all about. That's all they've heard because that's all the big league promoters (I'm talking warehouse events where there is only Dubstep on the bill in the 1st place because they think it will draw more students,) and small time kids putting on their 1st event and playing their mates' "dubs" which have been crafted through hours of listening to bait shite are pushing.

I'm gonna stop there because this subject actually makes me want to hurt numerous producers who I wont name out of the goodness of my heart.

divanrod · Post by **divanrod** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:32 am

ive felt like making a thread like this for a little while, but havent cause i felt that i would start a flame fest. after giving the genre a chance when i listened to Night, i picked up Pinch's Tectonic Plates - Tha Mix! album and my goodness, that album is deep, dark, and has a lot of room....in another words, it feels "massive".

It seems that I am having a harder time finding this "space", this big heavy "space" that I could hear back then. Artists like Breakage, Mala, Skream, Quest, Murk Dweller, and Kromestar are doing this kind of thing recently, but gee, I am havin trouble findin other artists who do. I recently just found Mala's Blue Notez and am mentally processing it like its the hugest thing in 2009 or something. The horns combined with that metally rhytmn and the underlying bass really creates something.....i can't describe it.

I am okay with dealing with a ton of bangers at shows, and the wobble mania thing, but outside of that, with listening on my home, i tend to look for the deeper stuff. 2562 and that whole crew of guys are my answer for now, although it seems to be more techno oriented, which is fine, since i was into techno before dubstep. maybe its in the percussion structure?

Some people were speaking about eeriness. That's what im speakin about in reference to Mala's Blue Notez. That eeriness, how the song gives me goosebumps by listening to it, is something i am having a harder time finding these days.

ruckspin · Post by **ruckspin** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:39 am

Signus wrote:blatant, wobble, wank house, knock out 15 tunes a daystep

LOL smacked it...

soundbwoy wrote:who's making shit like "bury da bwoy" !?

some say Ranking Records. Others just hate and say tracks like Warfare remix and Zulu are trying to sound like Mala. You be the judge:
http://www.myspace.com/rankingrecords

signus · Post by **signus** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:47 am

ruckspin wrote:Others just hate and say tracks like Warfare remix and Zulu are trying to sound like Mala

People who say that are pricks

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:10 am

ruckspin wrote:
soundbwoy wrote:who's making shit like "bury da bwoy" !?
some say Ranking Records. Others just hate and say tracks like Warfare remix and Zulu are trying to sound like Mala. You be the judge:
http://www.myspace.com/rankingrecords

Yo blud, copped Zulu on sight. Even if they were trying to sound like Mala, who cares? It's a different take anyway. Moreover tune is HEAVVVVYYYY
Keep up the good work!!

oh yo and Berkane Sol still killing it with every release...

ruckspin · Post by **ruckspin** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:12 am

ah so you could have answered your own question then! lol

bigup tho glad u enjoyin the output

.spec · Post by **.spec** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:13 am

ruckspin wrote:
some say Ranking Records. Others just hate and say tracks like Warfare remix and Zulu are trying to sound like Mala. You be the judge:
http://www.myspace.com/rankingrecords

That's crazy Zulu sounds nothing like Mala to me. I picked up Zulu when it dropped and it's my "I need to get to more techno-ish stuff" tune. Looooooooooove that track.

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