Definition of "warmth"

ascii · Post by **ascii** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:02 pm

D+ wrote: i listened back to some dub techno tunes i made on an old daw which i used vwarmer with and i noticed they sounded much warmer than the beats i make in logic nowdays.

ps. thats not because i neglect 'warmth' in logic - but vintage warmer definitley has THAT effect, something which none of the plugins in logic had duplicated for me (so far - im still learning)

I recommend using the bit crusher, with the down sampling set to just 2 and the bit depth set to 11bits; followed up by an overdrive unit, touch of reverb & some selective EQ'ing and compression.

d+ · Post by d+ » Tue May 05, 2009 2:05 pm

ASCII wrote:
D+ wrote: i listened back to some dub techno tunes i made on an old daw which i used vwarmer with and i noticed they sounded much warmer than the beats i make in logic nowdays.

ps. thats not because i neglect 'warmth' in logic - but vintage warmer definitley has THAT effect, something which none of the plugins in logic had duplicated for me (so far - im still learning)
I recommend using the bit crusher, with the down sampling set to just 2 and the bit depth set to 11bits; followed up by an overdrive unit, touch of reverb & some selective EQ'ing and compression.

Yep been doing that mate, thanks for the advice thought. Still doesn't match up to VWarmer for me

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:55 pm

Future One wrote:In my opinion warmth is a byproduct of analogue distortion (second and third order harmonics), analogue noise and a softening of the high end.

Vintagewarmer never sounds warm to me. It just sounds ugly.

it's all about super-subtle settings for 'warmth'. beyond that it's no-holds-barred destruction.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:05 pm

Slothrop wrote:Some interesting points being made here re analogue circuitry etc, but I'd be interested to run a straw poll: which sounds warmer / more human / whatever:
a) Sleng Teng riddim by Prince Jammy
b) your choice of riddim by Rhythm and Sound

Would be interested to hear some thoughts on this.

IMO there are two sorts of 'warmth' that people talk about:
1) 'micro-level warmth' - the sort of thing you can pick up in a single kickdrum or a ride cymbal or a bass sound as compared to another very similar sound and
2) 'macro-level warmth' that you pick up from the whole tune.

And imo most of the stuff in this thread is talking about 1 but 2 is the really important part and it can't entirely be reduced to that - arrangement and vibe and melody and style and stuff play a big part two. Hence the fact that sleng teng uses nasty stable digital oscillators doesn't make the whole tune sound flat and inhuman, in fact it sounds as warm and bouncy and fun as you like because of the way it's put together.

knobgoblin · Post by **knobgoblin** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:06 pm

I've always thought Vintage Warmer sounded like poop. the few times I tried it, it seemed to take away from the impact and density I was able to achieve with other processes.

macc · Post by **macc** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:17 pm

VW is to warmth what McDonalds is to cuisine.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:30 pm

Macc wrote:VW is to warmth what McDonalds is to cuisine.

hahahaha I always thought it was a pile of wank too.

"ITS SUBTLE" people say...

How about read up on the placebo effect

knobgoblin · Post by **knobgoblin** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:55 pm

Well, its been a while since I played with VW, but the other processes I was talking about are EQ, Compression, various distortion and overdrive effects, parallel processing. VW seemed to take all the detail and impact I was able to achieve with those things and dull it down and make it sound like a flabby mess. Maybe I didn't play with it long enough to find its sweet spots, or maybe it's super dependent on gain structuring, but I definitely didn't think it was enhancing my sounds. Applying it to busses was even worse. To be fair, I was also comparing it to the UAD plugs, and thats not a fair comparison by any stretch.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:02 am

KnobGoblin wrote:Well, its been a while since I played with VW, but the other processes I was talking about are EQ, Compression, various distortion and overdrive effects, parallel processing. VW seemed to take all the detail and impact I was able to achieve with those things and dull it down and make it sound like a flabby mess. Maybe I didn't play with it long enough to find its sweet spots, or maybe it's super dependent on gain structuring, but I definitely didn't think it was enhancing my sounds. Applying it to busses was even worse. To be fair, I was also comparing it to the UAD plugs, and thats not a fair comparison by any stretch.

hehe I didn't read the thread just commenting on what Macc said.

Theres EQ tricks to every instrument (organic ones) to make it stand out and give it warmth - its in a book I got - i'll type it out when I get a chance but it seems to work for me!

knobgoblin · Post by **knobgoblin** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:09 am

yeah, I sorta viewed VW as a shortcut for proper EQ and dynamic processing. Maybe it would be better used without other processing before hand.

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