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juju · Post by **juju** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:47 pm

1. how stupid are you to tell the artist about this issue and then not tell him who done the deed.

2. thats all.....

how can u expect the artist not to get pissed when his [unreleased] tunes are being traded for herb. so you basically PAID to buy a dubplate. you PAID some raz thief and not the artist.

i would be heated too.

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:52 pm

dubs being passed around is one thing (and not a good one in many ways) but dubs being SOLD is another issue altogether, someone made an ounce of punk off this sale, possibly more than an artist will receive from a 500 press of their tune, and for them to see none of it really is a bit of a piss take. When someone gives out a dub they are giving one person the rights to play it, not pass it round as if it were their own and DEFINATELY NOT retail rights FFS!

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:04 pm

Simple fact about dubs is you don't pass them out if you were given it by the artist

duborz · Post by **duborz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:10 pm

a_k47 wrote: to right mate id be pissed aswell dats BANG out of order at least you should of asked komonazmuk if it wass cool to give out hes tunes no matter if your a bootlegger or not its just respect at da end of da day mate if i was komonazmuk i would be propa vex its jus not da way 2 do things i think any ways

I appreciate your well thought out and concerning response, but I would like to make clear that I have not handed out a dub, never have and never will. I simply received a dub from a friend instead of asking the producer himself. As it turns out he says he might have just gave it to me in the end.

I fucked up by telling him I had the tune and obviously wouldn't have even taken the initiative to start a conversation with him if I knew this would have taken place. In my defense, I was high and my judgment was not up to par.

I am not one to rat out friends and this seemed to be too much of a morale on my part because what was a conversation between he and myself on IRC was brought to the public eye in interest of putting me up on the chopping block for you to take your little jabs at. Thanks for that guys.

hi2uplz · Post by **hi2uplz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:11 pm

Hate Recordings wrote:sheesh, had to happen in the states, innit...

terrible news man. sorry about that.

why, did someone just die?

duborz · Post by **duborz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:19 pm

About the weed, and the whole situation in general.

You guys really don't know any facts about the way I received this dub.

Who knows if there was weed related in the process of me receiving the dub? Hell, I could've been handed it by another member of HENCH and nobody really knows.

So stop assuming stuff when you really don't know anything that really happened. (Not that I will explain.)

stone · Post by **stone** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:26 pm

OMGXXXXX DUBSTEP DRAMA

brand new bag · Post by **brand new bag** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:50 pm

Deapoh wrote:Simple fact about dubs is you don't pass them out if you were given it by the artist

*ding
that's about the sum of dubplate culture etiquette.

some people need to write this down and memorize it.

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:45 pm

duborz wrote:I fucked up by telling him I had the tune

no, you were being honest, that's not fucking up.

If I were to make an assumption, I'd say that you probably told him to see if he would then be cool with sending you more tunes.

duborz wrote:I could've been handed it by another member of HENCH and nobody really knows.

if that was the case, you would've already said so in order to avoid this whole drama.

Seriously, you have no place accepting a tune which you have no rights over. Your 'friend' who sent you this tune had absolutely no place sending it to you, and there is no justification for witholding his name - he might be sending Komon's tunes, or anyone else's for that matter, to all & sundry. If I'd sent him tunes, I'd bloody well want to know that this guy passes unreleased material around becuase he'd be off my fucking mailout list quicker than you can say "twat".

Dubs are not a status symbol or an extension of your penis. Seems a lot of people forget this sometimes.

selector.dub.u · Post by **selector.dub.u** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:58 pm

Whoever has the ounce of weed or money needs to send it back and or give the money to komonazmuk as if he bought the dub from s komonazmuk himself. OR duborz needs to pay restititution

The money should equal the cost of one record on which the dub would have appeared.

Just admitting to the deed is not enough. Restitution needs to be paid to the artist.

duborz · Post by **duborz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:04 pm

So what now, the cat's out of the bag that I got a dub from someone other than the artist. People have made it clear that it's not cool.

I have a passion for the music, and it's the only genre in which I feel the desire to do more than just listen to. I'm sure it's not going to be easy to ask anyone now, with over 600 views and mixed opinions on myself and 'my friend'.

I would like to think it's not a question of trust on my part if I share dubs, if anything it shows I don't share because the tune isn't floating around on p2p networks from here to hell and back. ( I hope )

What needs to be done to mend this?

duborz · Post by **duborz** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:06 pm

selector.dub.u wrote:Whoever has the ounce of weed or money needs to send it back and or give the money to komonazmuk as if he bought the dub from s komonazmuk himself. OR duborz needs to pay restititution

The money should equal the cost of one record on which the dub would have appeared.

Just admitting to the deed is not enough. Restitution needs to be paid to the artist.

I have no problem with that. I actually told this to him in our conversation, but his priorities were to make whoever gave it to me and myself look bad. Success.

[...]
11:51a (duborz) sorry for enjoying the music so much and not ratting friends out
11:51a (komonazmuk_-_hench) its my fucking money
11:52a (duborz) hmmm, then ask me for money
[...]

[...]
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) i dont give a fuck
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) ur mate is a prick
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) and im find out then ur name is dirt and so is his
11:55a (duborz) alright magnum PI...
11:56a (komonazmuk_-_hench) ive been producing for years and have delt with pricks like u before
[...]

boa · Post by **boa** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:28 pm

Not a pretty situation. Have to give some credit to duborz for comin here and not going into hiding. Seems like he's willing to apologize which is a good sign too.

If it's really just misunderstood ethics of 'the scene' then him and koz should work somethin out in private, cash or otherwise.

LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL OF US. DUBZ ARE WORTH MORE THAN BUDZ!

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:55 pm

duborz wrote:
selector.dub.u wrote:Whoever has the ounce of weed or money needs to send it back and or give the money to komonazmuk as if he bought the dub from s komonazmuk himself. OR duborz needs to pay restititution

The money should equal the cost of one record on which the dub would have appeared.

Just admitting to the deed is not enough. Restitution needs to be paid to the artist.
I have no problem with that. I actually told this to him in our conversation, but his priorities were to make whoever gave it to me and myself look bad. Success.

[...]
11:51a (duborz) sorry for enjoying the music so much and not ratting friends out
11:51a (komonazmuk_-_hench) its my fucking money
11:52a (duborz) hmmm, then ask me for money
[...]

[...]
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) i dont give a fuck
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) ur mate is a prick
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) and im find out then ur name is dirt and so is his
11:55a (duborz) alright magnum PI...
11:56a (komonazmuk_-_hench) ive been producing for years and have delt with pricks like u before
[...]

Sorry, but I think thats massively overreacting. Its one fucking dub. If he'd put a new album that took a year to produce on limewire, fine, spout off. But as it is? Stop being so gangsta.

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:04 pm

Joseph-J wrote:Sorry, but I think thats massively overreacting. Its one fucking dub. If he'd put a new album that took a year to produce on limewire, fine, spout off. But as it is? Stop being so gangsta.

I think thats out of order. I myself would hate people getting tunes of mine or tunes that I'm putting out without speaking to me or the artist directly and asking for the tune.

The worst case is if they were to play the tune without having permission.

Joseph-J you may not care if people shared your tunes but Komonazmuk and many other artists do.

hate recordings · Post by **hate recordings** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:05 pm

ThinKing wrote:he'd be off my fucking mailout list quicker than you can say "twat"..

selector.dub.u · Post by **selector.dub.u** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:05 pm

duborz wrote:
selector.dub.u wrote:Whoever has the ounce of weed or money needs to send it back and or give the money to komonazmuk as if he bought the dub from s komonazmuk himself. OR duborz needs to pay restititution

The money should equal the cost of one record on which the dub would have appeared.

Just admitting to the deed is not enough. Restitution needs to be paid to the artist.
I have no problem with that. I actually told this to him in our conversation, but his priorities were to make whoever gave it to me and myself look bad. Success.

[...]
11:51a (duborz) sorry for enjoying the music so much and not ratting friends out
11:51a (komonazmuk_-_hench) its my fucking money
11:52a (duborz) hmmm, then ask me for money
[...]

[...]
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) i dont give a fuck
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) ur mate is a prick
11:55a (komonazmuk_-_hench) and im find out then ur name is dirt and so is his
11:55a (duborz) alright magnum PI...
11:56a (komonazmuk_-_hench) ive been producing for years and have delt with pricks like u before
[...]

Cool. Well you did your part. So now well... only time will tell.
In a year from now it will seem like ancient history though.

komonazmuk · Post by **komonazmuk** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:37 pm

all i wanted was a name. i dont want money, i just dont want the person in question getting my music again.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:05 pm

it seems to me that duborz has too much respect for his friend, who is doing something very questionable. i dont think he really deserves protecting in this circumstance... no harm will come of it other than for him to no longer recieve the music he has been giving out, which seems no more than he deserves. especially if he's selling it, that is completely outrageous to be fair.

something doesnt seem quite right about all this though, it doesnt quite fit together, i dont see why he would protect someone who took the piss and charged an o for it, thats not much of a mate, it seems unlikely someone would want to protect that... so there may be information we cannot be privy to which is vital to understanding the crack

where poirot at?

for what its worth, i think its unfortunate that duborz is being painted as such a villain, he's looking out for a mate, imo misguidedly (or maybe doing this for a reason we know not of), but it aint one of the seven sins

i feel for komonazmuk, its not about ppl betraying trust like that, you want to have confidence in those you give tracks to. all in all unsavoury

there is one real chief involved somewhere though

brand new bag · Post by **brand new bag** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:09 pm

what is particulary frustrating must be the fact that everytime he sends out a tune now he'll be paranoid about who's hands it's going to end up in.

i hope you have a suspision, at least.

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