Kryptic Minds & Loefah interview + Kryptic Minds mix

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:42 pm

Shaan wrote:http://www.rampradio.co.uk/media/files/ ... ge_9_1.mp3

El-B & Jay Da Flew on ramp radio - ghost showcase

listen to this and tell me that it's not a thousand times more worthy of hype

hello, hi.

shaan · Post by **shaan** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:53 pm

yeah i've got it - and i fucking love it to bits - gets a complete play through at least once a day.

KM music is wicked for sure! but it's not pushing any boundaries or trying anything new - not worthy of the hype IMO.
it is good music but it's just nothing new - will cop the release, will play it on the regular *but* it probably won't be a release that i will see as a turning point in my musical tastes or collection

and yes i know El-b been pushing the 2step/garage thing for millennium but it's just getting better and better

Edit: this isn't the time or the place for a shuffle beat vs. halfstep debate - sorry to hijack the thread.

Kryptic minds have done the scene jumping a hell of alot better than most i'll give them that

so biggups - good shit for not just doing the whole eastern jam thing or rave dubstep

glacial · Post by **glacial** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:01 pm

So far this mix is the best of 2009.

The interview is very interesting.

Much respek to Martin, KM and Loe

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:05 pm

nice interview martin, biggup

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:23 pm

the most important part of this interview is the part where they discuss the "photek" influence. this is the big distinction for me, because the most interesting part of the sound i've heard from people making drum and bass, are the people bringing the offtime, unstructured patterns and textures of modus operandi/exorcise the demons era, into dubstep. that time period in dnb is the nearest to 2002-2004 dubstep in its pure darkest forms. i think this is the point that loe, and blackdown are making. the separation from people drawing influences from dnb that became largely formulaic (2002-2009), to the people influenced by the dnb that definitely wasn't (1993-2001).

its also worth mentioning that after loefah's halfstep classics like 28g, root, mud....a boatload of poorly produced loefah copycats tried to have a go, and missed the boat completely.

???who · Post by **???who** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:11 pm

The best mix i've heared for long!
Huge interview.
Much respect!

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:22 pm

Great interview, Blackdown, even by your standards. I've never known a major dubstep producer speak as frankly on the record as Loefah does there. Really interesting. Will download the mix tonight.

djfurness · Post by **djfurness** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:29 pm

Incredible interview, I was lucky enough to play alongside Loefah last October and have a good hour long chat with him and he was exactly like he comes across in this interview, totally frank and honest, couldnt help but raise a smile at the 'those guys...' bit

And as for Loefah vs Burial, sweet jesus

Listening to the KM mix now...

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:38 pm

djfurness wrote:as for Loefah vs Burial, sweet jesus

Too right!

upreal · Post by **upreal** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:08 pm

that is an unbelievably awesome set. been on repeat all day.

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:13 pm

For all those bringing up the d n b crossover/loefah clone argument. The primary concern of a music listener is the music, seems like you've let other factors get in the way, good music is good music.

e.g. if Gok Wan wrote a track and it was good I'd still listen to it and like it, wouldn't be like "Oh he's got bored with ugly naked people so now he's jumping on the bandwagon and therefore i can't listen to this".

also, they don't sound like loefah, just half steppy.

-dubson- · Post by **-dubson-** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:44 pm

KM sound like Loefah?? LOL

how? both have a halfstep vibe yeah, but i dont see how they sound anything like the same apart from that.
They arent just jumpin on the "bandwagon" either, their influences for dubstep were 2 tunes as it says Bury da Bwoy and Jah War rmx. They are coming with an original sound, they arent lookin for fame and hype with their tunes.

-dubson- · Post by **-dubson-** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:46 pm

beatlejuice wrote:i bet i could go into the dubs section and 9 out of ten would be wannabee deep halfstep wobblers. Just too fucking easy to clone, especially for jaded d'n'b heads lookin to get some easy shine..

sorry man think ur seriously wrong

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:56 pm

beatlejuice wrote:i bet i could go into the dubs section and 9 out of ten would be wannabee deep halfstep wobblers. Just too fucking easy to clone, especially for jaded d'n'b heads lookin to get some easy shine..

if they're wannabe's then they're not clones mate, so clearly it's not that easy to make.

Half step forever!!!

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:01 pm

dob3r wrote:To be honest I don't see what the problem is. Beatejuice, you seem to lump KM in with all the other new-wobble halfstep loefah rip-offs. This to me is a contradiction in terms. All the 'wobble' and dnb influenced jump up dubstep is one thing, 2004-6 darkness is another thing. Loefah endorses the latter but his dislike of the former is thinly veiled.

And as for the KM sound, its not even that similar to Loefah (much more organic and atmospheric imo, whereas Loefah has a more minimal beats n bass approach, like fucked up hip-hop). So what if they're harking back to 2004-6? Its a quality sound and one that is much overlooked. In a time when everyone wants to be coki and shoot some gunfinger, its good to see some eyes down music, regardless if its a "few years too late" or not - this music is timeless.

exactly.

so what if u think its "too easy" or not imaginative enough? a good finished product is one none the less and they really do bring there own take on the halfstep. as people have already said there are several differences from loefah and others that make there sound unique in a sense.

i dunno why people are against the halfstep, it is fundamentally part of the basis of the genre. so it may pigeonhole the genre to a noob who may think "ahr all this dubstep is just kick, snare"....

but who really gives a shit if they wanna generalise, its their loss. theres plenty of other variations out there. more to the point if u dont like the halfstep aspect in the slightest then why are u even listening to this genre.

beatlejuice · Post by **beatlejuice** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:05 pm

at the risk of sounding crass...

...fuck the pre millenium d'n'b influence and the techno influence. People need to get back to the roots and make more breaks and garage style beats or we'll get swamped 81 times in halfstep wobbleclones or worse, 4 on the floor techno inspired dubstep like what scubas doing recently that just sucks arse

i pity the fools who in retrospect are only recently discovering 2 step and garage breaks, who never heard the sound develop in real time, who read wiki and believe its gospel, who were too busy listening to shit d'n'b long after the conscious had abandoned it to the technoids and beat zombies...

and blackdown, you remind me of an embedded journalist working for fox media if dubstep were the iraq war. Manufacturing the news from one side and spinning it to suit your own agenda. Even to the point of baiting your subjects to say controversial shit to defend their differing opinions then switching to different subjects so they dont get to elucidate further such that when taken out of context, their soundbites can be totally misleading

the thing that cracks me up the most tho is you think you're an equal in the game but you're not. In many ways you're privileged and no matter how street you think you are you just aint. You'd be better off reporting unbiasedly on the state of dubstep in all its glory or shame and leaving the producing to people who actually have something worth saying in their music...

...in my oh so humble opinion

capo ultra · Post by **capo ultra** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:20 pm

beatlejuice wrote:at the risk of sounding crass...

...fuck the pre millenium d'n'b influence and the techno influence. People need to get back to the roots and make more breaks and garage style beats or we'll get swamped 81 times in halfstep wobbleclones or worse, 4 on the floor techno inspired dubstep like what scubas doing recently that just sucks arse

i pity the fools who in retrospect are only recently discovering 2 step and garage breaks, who never heard the sound develop in real time, who read wiki and believe its gospel, who were too busy listening to shit d'n'b long after the conscious had abandoned it to the technoids and beat zombies...

and blackdown, you remind me of an embedded journalist working for fox media if dubstep were the iraq war. Manufacturing the news from one side and spinning it to suit your own agenda. Even to the point of baiting your subjects to say controversial shit to defend their differing opinions then switching to different subjects so they dont get to elucidate further such that when taken out of context, their soundbites can be totally misleading

the thing that cracks me up the most tho is you think you're an equal in the game but you're not. In many ways you're privileged and no matter how street you think you are you just aint. You'd be better off reporting unbiasedly on the state of dubstep in all its glory or shame and leaving the producing to people who actually have something worth saying in their music...

...in my oh so humble opinion

Lol you may as well give up now your just digging deeper and deeper and your views are ridiculously skewered

Why don't you go make breaks and garage instead of Dubstep if you hate Dubstep so much? Why are you posting on a Dubstep forum? Boggles the mind

beatlejuice · Post by **beatlejuice** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:28 pm

^check my sig...

...and have at it then. Pick a quote any quote i've made, expand your view, counter it and lets see how ridiculously deep and skewered you can go

oh by the way i think i just vomitted at your edit cos its plainly obvious you have no fucking idea how easy it is to boggle your mind with truth...

quote me where i've said i hate dubstep ?

capo ultra · Post by **capo ultra** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:40 pm

You've already dug your own hole when you say Scuba is shit and Blackdown is some kind of posh scenester FAIL

ghosttown · Post by **ghosttown** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:28 pm

beatlejuice wrote:at the risk of sounding crass...

...fuck the pre millenium d'n'b influence and the techno influence. People need to get back to the roots and make more breaks and garage style beats or we'll get swamped 81 times in halfstep wobbleclones or worse, 4 on the floor techno inspired dubstep like what scubas doing recently that just sucks arse

i pity the fools who in retrospect are only recently discovering 2 step and garage breaks, who never heard the sound develop in real time, who read wiki and believe its gospel, who were too busy listening to shit d'n'b long after the conscious had abandoned it to the technoids and beat zombies...

and blackdown, you remind me of an embedded journalist working for fox media if dubstep were the iraq war. Manufacturing the news from one side and spinning it to suit your own agenda. Even to the point of baiting your subjects to say controversial shit to defend their differing opinions then switching to different subjects so they dont get to elucidate further such that when taken out of context, their soundbites can be totally misleading

the thing that cracks me up the most tho is you think you're an equal in the game but you're not. In many ways you're privileged and no matter how street you think you are you just aint. You'd be better off reporting unbiasedly on the state of dubstep in all its glory or shame and leaving the producing to people who actually have something worth saying in their music...

...in my oh so humble opinion

how old are you?

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