[Production Bible 2] Song structures found in Dubstep

yong · Post by **yong** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:48 am

setspeed wrote: then you've got 12-bar blues

that's still in sets of 4

/me plays blues piano

truncated · Post by **truncated** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:55 am

aslong as dubstep doesn't become as restrictive as hiphop,

8-8-16-8-16-8-16-8-8
4-8-16-8-16-8-16-8-4
8-16-8-16-8-16-8-8

is all i used for years becuase if i used anything else mc's started complaining.

ffs write longer verses or something, completely killed all creativity.

ginsu · Post by **ginsu** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:48 pm

just to offer an idiotic pov. but most of the common dj tricks are borish lame and pointless.

Juggling 2 records to extend the time might have been impressive in the early 70s but now it just shows the djing wanking off - its disruptive and just draws attention to the dj rather thant he music. and not in a positive way. most of the time the DJ over does it and slips up and it sounds like garbage. most of the time when a dj juggles im cursing him the whole time. not this BS again.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:35 pm

I'd like to hear more 1 bar intros

ginsu · Post by **ginsu** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:20 pm

1bar? just start with a drum roll then go into the hook like many 70s dub plates. one of the things i like about classic reggae dub is that they start with a tune - an attempt at a pop hit. then they deconstruct the hell out of it. just one production approach that seems under-utilized by "dub"step producers.

blending was a neat trick when it was introduced in the mid 80s but it becoming the standard required technique for all club djs is too much. and leads to the borish conformity in grooves that stagnates dance music genres. when most djs blend it makes the beat sound cluttered. And when djs require producers to minimal blendable music theyre sacraficing more interesting grooves/music to dance to.

scientifik · Post by **scientifik** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:59 am

Interestingly, those drum fill intros on reggae tunes can often start on a beat other than the one and even speed up or slow down, but it makes them really easy to get into the tune from another tune. Almost like a rewind or reverse cymbal or whatever. Works well and it's quick.

antipode · Post by **antipode** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:21 am

is all i used for years becuase if i used anything else mc's started complaining.

ffs write longer verses or something, completely killed all creativity.

That is one of the reasons I gave up on producing hip hop.

higgzbozon · Post by **higgzbozon** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:52 am

epoch wrote:
is all i used for years becuase if i used anything else mc's started complaining.

ffs write longer verses or something, completely killed all creativity.

That is one of the reasons I gave up on producing hip hop.

I haven't and will never totally give up on hiphop, but yeah i hate this too. But i'm a mc too and try to be more creative with the bars when i write..

ginsu · Post by **ginsu** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:46 pm

who cares if your MC complains. - part of reaching an artisitc consensus. they only get prima donna if theyre working with stupid producers and start cherry picking beats and acting like a diva. theats why it good to work with as many MCs as possible so when they act up you can change the channel.

some times famous name brand MCs have blown their wad anyway and just have a name with no game. as an artist it can be better to work with a hungry no name cat thats more open and will deliver better mateial.

need more than 16 bars? i true mc prides themselves in having hella lyric. so they should be able to flow forever. if theyre a lyricist have them dive into their black book.

ifyou have shorter then 16 bars... most MCs SUCK!!! so have them edit out a few filler lines - leave only the punch lines and one liners. or have them rock a hook, or a small spoken word section.

theedman · Post by **theedman** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:38 pm

spencerTron wrote: one of my last tunes i made a 29 bar intro...

Haha 27 bars for one of mine lol just coz the sample fitted better in it

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:12 am

its not only multiples of four its powers of two

2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 etc

interestingly enough the source of binary and thus the source of computers the things that we spend too much time making beats on.

i bet powers of three would sound alright if you had a 3/4 thing going on
3 9 27 81

gravity · Post by **gravity** » Thu May 21, 2009 3:50 pm

just do what you fucking want. if a tune is good enough a dj should figure out how to mix it. sticking to rules tends to lead to stagnation in music.

too many lazy fucking djs these days.

steakbox · Post by **steakbox** » Thu May 28, 2009 12:15 pm

i'm glad i have no interest in ever having my shit mixed. i like to listen to tracks on their own and don't want to have to worry about fitting some template that makes it easier on someone else. i suppose it also helps that i don't give a fuck about dancing or clubs. it's so much more interesting to listen to something that has no restraints (if the producer takes advantage of it and does things that surprise you). i'd rather be caught off guard with something interesting and be forced to change my groove for a second than have something straightforward and predictable. but i do see the point of template shites for people that don't like that.

rhek · Post by **rhek** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:38 pm

If it feels right..

If you try make it feel awkward its gonna come across in the music. I never count my bars, you should really just be able to feel it if you DJ too.

kraftpeanutbutterbear · Post by **kraftpeanutbutterbear** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:21 am

Continuing with a dj point of view :
Been mixing with softwares since 4 years, I really like dubstep genre for his complexity i.e. variation in longer of intro and outro compare to other genres of electonic music such as house or trance. In those other genres, the intro always last something like 60 sec and the outro last something like 60 sec so for a begginer in djing, missing beat matching or doing an overloud mix is really embarrassing (really easy to do and very boring after a year of practice live and studio mix). So, yes you could start making dj friendly format such as the other electronic music genres but i'll still apreciate the work you make me do with your no-rule format.
cheers

decree · Post by **decree** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:04 am

gravity wrote:just do what you fucking want. if a tune is good enough a dj should figure out how to mix it. sticking to rules tends to lead to stagnation in music.

too many lazy fucking djs these days.

thank you! I was reading thru this to see who would say this
Follow a formula or don't, do what you want because you want to

On that being said I did read some interesting cool points on benifits of doing such n such...

vertex · Post by **vertex** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:41 am

hurlingdervish wrote:its not only multiples of four its powers of two

2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 etc

interestingly enough the source of binary and thus the source of computers the things that we spend too much time making beats on.

i bet powers of three would sound alright if you had a 3/4 thing going on
3 9 27 81

Yep, you just get 2 and keep doubling it... 256 512 1024 etc.

there's something to be said for having things happen on other bas tho

eg 64 + 32 = 96, so have a fill just before bar 96 etc.

To those of ya who want to hear stuff with crazy timing, listen to Venetian Snares, a load of his stuff is in 7/4, try mixing that on a couple of 1210's!

betmiddler · Post by **betmiddler** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:13 pm

gravity wrote:just do what you fucking want. if a tune is good enough a dj should figure out how to mix it. sticking to rules tends to lead to stagnation in music.

too many lazy fucking djs these days.

im am by no means a good dj but i have always been taught this by my peers who gave me the will and the love for mixing and producing.

big up everyone whatever your opinion is, helps the less informed build a better opinion for themselfs.

[Production Bible 2] Song structures found in Dubstep

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