Problems with midrange 'bass'

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:37 pm

Apathesis wrote:
Legendary wrote:
WiREZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:i think some people here need a lesson in what frequency range is sub and what is mid
From my knowledge Sub is below 60Hz and Mid 80-500?
Last time I checked, up untill about 90-100 - its still sub bass ...

The question what I often ask myself is why so many people put SO much time into sub bass when its not even got 200hz worth of range! And theres like another 19.9khz to cover (if you're cutting at 20khz)

Because good sub is well important in dubstep!

Yeah standard! But I always do my sub last because a tunes no good if its just some shitty half step beat with a subline - I mean even loefah has more sounds than that and hes one of the most minimal producers (and one of the best)

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:39 pm

beats and bass first rest comes in later

pets bud · Post by **pets bud** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:40 pm

Brisance wrote:

apathesis · Post by **apathesis** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:41 pm

Legendary wrote:
Apathesis wrote:
Legendary wrote:
WiREZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:i think some people here need a lesson in what frequency range is sub and what is mid
From my knowledge Sub is below 60Hz and Mid 80-500?
Last time I checked, up untill about 90-100 - its still sub bass ...

The question what I often ask myself is why so many people put SO much time into sub bass when its not even got 200hz worth of range! And theres like another 19.9khz to cover (if you're cutting at 20khz)

Because good sub is well important in dubstep!
Yeah standard! But I always do my sub last because a tunes no good if its just some shitty half step beat with a subline - I mean even loefah has more sounds than that and hes one of the most minimal producers (and one of the best)

Truesay!

paradigm_x · Post by **paradigm_x** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:59 am

Legendary wrote:The question what I often ask myself is why so many people put SO much time into sub bass when its not even got 200hz worth of range! And theres like another 19.9khz to cover (if you're cutting at 20khz)

Because its logarithmic.

Still at least 3 octaves. An octave is a doubling in frequency. Hence (for simplicity, 25Hz is a bit low...) 25Hz>50Hz = 1 oct, 100Hz = 2 octaves, 200Hz = 3 octaves.

At HF 10Khz > 20Khz is only one octave, but 10000Hz.....

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Fri May 01, 2009 4:53 pm

yup-- geometically more energy at the lower-end of the spectrum than up top

moujah · Post by **moujah** » Thu May 21, 2009 4:59 pm

nowaysj wrote:But dnb is bringing its tired sounds and space docking them into dubstep.

luckily it works the other way as well so dubstep's "exporting" it's sound and space management as well. check out d-bridge's new stuff, instra:mental and lynx, to mention a few. deep minimalistic dnb with a lot of sub. after 3 years of listening to dubstep mostly I am now happy to find out there is a lot of dubstep influence in other genres. so it's all good, there is a room and obviously a demand for mid range dubstep as well as there is (finally) room and demand for deep dnb. if the balance of things is good I am happy. you can still find a lot of deep, minimalistic or garagey dubstep so it's not like skream making mid range dubstep is doing the Pendulum thing. they fucked it up really but it seems like the clowny dnb era is coming to an end at last

but I see no way of the same thing happing to dubstep and if it does it will get deeper again. all about the cycles imho

q23 · Post by **q23** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:47 pm

I have an idea. Lets eliminate an entire frequency range in an entire genre of music. Lets just all get our parametric EQs out right now and re render all the tunes we play with anything between 200 - 1.5k hz taken down to like - 64db.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:41 pm

Just wait for "Bad Midrange" by abZ

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:18 pm

wanna collab on it man

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:40 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:wanna collab on it man

Where were you last night? I thought you never left the house! Was going to send it over to you but then I got a bunch done because there was no one bugging my on aim

Maybe I'll send it to you still. I'll be out on some gigage tonight tho.

megaladon · Post by **megaladon** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:45 pm

Q23 wrote:I have an idea. Lets eliminate an entire frequency range in an entire genre of music. Lets just all get our parametric EQs out right now and re render all the tunes we play with anything between 200 - 1.5k hz taken down to like - 64Hz.

Now you're talking.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:54 pm

abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:wanna collab on it man

Where were you last night? I thought you never left the house! Was going to send it over to you but then I got a bunch done because there was no one bugging my on aim

Maybe I'll send it to you still. I'll be out on some gigage tonight tho.

the weather is nice so i'm out bike riding or skating a bunch now

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:07 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:
abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:wanna collab on it man

Where were you last night? I thought you never left the house! Was going to send it over to you but then I got a bunch done because there was no one bugging my on aim

Maybe I'll send it to you still. I'll be out on some gigage tonight tho.
the weather is nice so i'm out bike riding or skating a bunch now

But it was late tings and I thought you were working on an album of midrange cack!

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:26 am

abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:wanna collab on it man

Where were you last night? I thought you never left the house! Was going to send it over to you but then I got a bunch done because there was no one bugging my on aim

Maybe I'll send it to you still. I'll be out on some gigage tonight tho.
the weather is nice so i'm out bike riding or skating a bunch now
But it was late tings and I thought you were working on an album of midrange cack!

album yes
midrange cack no

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:32 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:wanna collab on it man

Where were you last night? I thought you never left the house! Was going to send it over to you but then I got a bunch done because there was no one bugging my on aim

Maybe I'll send it to you still. I'll be out on some gigage tonight tho.
the weather is nice so i'm out bike riding or skating a bunch now
But it was late tings and I thought you were working on an album of midrange cack!
album yes
midrange cack no

Sell out.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:52 am

abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
abZ wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
abZ wrote:

Where were you last night? I thought you never left the house! Was going to send it over to you but then I got a bunch done because there was no one bugging my on aim

Maybe I'll send it to you still. I'll be out on some gigage tonight tho.
the weather is nice so i'm out bike riding or skating a bunch now
But it was late tings and I thought you were working on an album of midrange cack!
album yes
midrange cack no
Sell out.

more on the jazzy.choppage tip
don't worry still making some cack

dj vision · Post by **dj vision** » Fri May 22, 2009 7:02 am

Who gives a fuck if its mid range cack, thats the point, so the bassline has an audible melody. its still got a sub underneath which on a big system will sound just as loud as other subs, even with "midrange cack" on top of it.

megaladon · Post by **megaladon** » Sat May 23, 2009 11:40 pm

I play out all my sets with a brick-wall band-reject filter on 200-2K.

Problems with midrange 'bass'

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