Someone help me out with W---y

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:14 am

cmon now guys i thought we all settled on aqua crunk

skywave · Post by **skywave** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:52 am

Saphyre wrote:indie as an umbrella term for all the music associated with that scene

ah OK, i'm old to enough to remember it the first time round and it was a different thing

kinda the way electro now means house music for car adverts to some folk now, things get confusing for old timers

renegatus · Post by **renegatus** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:13 pm

INCREASE THA PEACE/////

j_j_c · Post by **j_j_c** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:53 pm

Why do people always have to have a name for genres? after a while it's just feutile beacuse there are so many genres and subgenres.

can't we just settle on a broad term like experimental hip hop or leftfield or something?

constrobuz · Post by **constrobuz** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:45 pm

j_j_c wrote:Why do people always have to have a name for genres?

because it's convenient. do you want people to put mike slott and drumma boy in the same genre?

j_j_c · Post by **j_j_c** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:48 pm

Constrobuz wrote:because it's convenient. do you want people to put mike slott and drumma boy in the same genre?

yes.

renegatus · Post by **renegatus** » Sun May 10, 2009 1:20 pm

W---y is omnipotent.
W---y is omnipresent.
W---y is indefinable.

We must never utter the name of w---y.

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:40 pm

Clovework wrote:New user here, just curious....why/how did Wonky become "the genre that dare not speak its name"?

You read Martin Clark's article, so you know where the term originated.

After the term started getting a bit of use, people started arguing because they didn't like the name or didn't think it was necessary to give a name to music that shared certain characteristics.

Some critics started hurling abuse at anyone who used the word, claiming that they didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Simon Reynolds took a lot of heat: perhaps more heat than he's taken for a lot of redundant tripe that's come out of his excited mouth in the past.

Zomby wrote on his blog - with some conviction - that you can't make a genre called "wonky", because "adjectives can't function as noun's (sic)". Anyone who understands language might be inclined to point out that Zomby should learn how to use the possessive before making out he's some sort of authority on grammar and the evolution of language.

The argument's got so beyond a joke now that you might as well just steer clear of the word. That said, in spite of everything, the guys running this site have kept the description of the Hip Hop subforum as "Wonky". Really, there should be some sort of uprising over that little detail...

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Thu May 28, 2009 4:29 pm

i just can't bring myself to call specifically left-field/experimental hip hop "wonky" personally. so i've been calling it left-field, which makes sense to me since the main thing is it is a small sphere within hip hop that is a bit more experimental, eclectic, and technical from a producing standpoint.

i can't speak for all the other things thrown into this "wonky" field. I mean....no matter how much I like Eprom.....putting Eprom in the same category as devon(who) and jneiro jarel just doesn't make sense to me.

good thing for me is that when it comes to shopping, i can find some of what i'm looking for under wonky but thankfully I'm finding a bit more of what I'm looking for *exactly* (stylistically and sonically) whenever I do a search for left-field hip hop. for me, thats the only reason I want a name--so that when I'm trying to find more music like it, I have something to look for.

To each his own tho. You can call it wonky....something about that term has a broken connotation and I just don't really think of it that way. I think of this as an avant-garde evolution--and there's nothing "broken" about that to me.

2tall · Post by **2tall** » Thu May 28, 2009 4:32 pm

i am so wonky right now

pidge · Post by **pidge** » Thu May 28, 2009 6:49 pm

bellybelle wrote:good thing for me is that when it comes to shopping, i can find some of what i'm looking for under wonky but thankfully I'm finding a bit more of what I'm looking for *exactly* (stylistically and sonically) whenever I do a search for left-field hip hop. for me, thats the only reason I want a name--so that when I'm trying to find more music like it, I have something to look for.

yeah, the wonky name tends to be given to the more electronic rather then instrument side of things. Thats why I dont mind the term becasue the more electronic/strange stuff is the stuff I like. But I know better then to use the term around here

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Thu May 28, 2009 10:18 pm

instrumental hip hop?

surely.

2tall · Post by **2tall** » Thu May 28, 2009 10:46 pm

i am so instrumental right now

Pallms · Post by **Pallms** » Thu May 28, 2009 11:58 pm

J-sh wrote:instrumental hip hop?

surely.

Exactly.

westernsynthetics · Post by **westernsynthetics** » Fri May 29, 2009 5:23 am

its all wanky to me

mrbeatnick · Post by **mrbeatnick** » Fri May 29, 2009 7:55 am

tercerojista wrote:
Clovework wrote:New user here, just curious....why/how did Wonky become "the genre that dare not speak its name"?
You read Martin Clark's article, so you know where the term originated.

After the term started getting a bit of use, people started arguing because they didn't like the name or didn't think it was necessary to give a name to music that shared certain characteristics.

Some critics started hurling abuse at anyone who used the word, claiming that they didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Simon Reynolds took a lot of heat: perhaps more heat than he's taken for a lot of redundant tripe that's come out of his excited mouth in the past.

Zomby wrote on his blog - with some conviction - that you can't make a genre called "wonky", because "adjectives can't function as noun's (sic)". Anyone who understands language might be inclined to point out that Zomby should learn how to use the possessive before making out he's some sort of authority on grammar and the evolution of language.

The argument's got so beyond a joke now that you might as well just steer clear of the word. That said, in spite of everything, the guys running this site have kept the description of the Hip Hop subforum as "Wonky". Really, there should be some sort of uprising over that little detail...

haha. great summary. i think maybe it's fun to keep the word "wonky" there for a in-joke. i think the whole thing is quite funny now

i just read a review of my mates today that called them post-hop and - check this - meta-grime. what the fuck is meta grime? jesus.

incnic · Post by **incnic** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:15 am

put a wonk on it

2tall · Post by **2tall** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:51 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA4rSOOjVQY

donovansharp · Post by **donovansharp** » Fri May 29, 2009 2:58 pm

2tall wrote:basically the consensus is.. would you want you're music to be classified as "wonky".. its kind of a stupid name for a genre.

There is a 19 pg thread on "Skwee" haha who comes up with these names?

I personally like the term flunky, but whatever

donovansharp · Post by **donovansharp** » Fri May 29, 2009 3:01 pm

Don't even get me started on the Simon Reynolds/ Zomby / K article. Does this guy try to piss me off with everything he writes? Get back to me when he listens to Polyfolk Blues or Velvet Peel.

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