Old-school timestretching

tathagata · Post by **tathagata** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:22 pm

I've been listening to Timeless by Goldie a lot, and trying to look into how he produced it. I know they used a lot of old Akai timestretching, as well as an annoying clue he gave in an interview (something along the lines of 'I used a simple effect but in a way you'd never think of').
I'm just wondering if there are any plug-ins that recreate that old way of timestretching, to save chopping and duplicating the samples by hand?

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:40 pm

The oldest skool method I can think of involves chopping your audio into 1/128th segments and simply putting extra segments into your sequencer to create the stretch. The more of each segment you place into the sequencer, the longer the stretch time becomes.

To smooth the sound, pop your audio through a chorus or reverb to cover up the chops. If you wanted to have a completely dry sound, and be completely anal about it, for every start and end point on each segment, apply a quick fade in or out. this envelope will cover up the clicks from chopping at points other than a zero crossing. Some software like Adobe Audition allow people to fix transients so that the audio starts and finishes on a zero crossing everytime.

Another related method is to create pitch shifting with a delay unit. Try passing your audio through a delay unit whilst modulating the delay time live. as you extend the delay time, the audio drops in pitch, and as you shorten the delay time, the audio raises in pitch. this is easily done using the DLL delay in Reason.

antics · Post by **antics** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:51 pm

doesnt fruity granulizer chop sounds up this way?

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:52 pm

http://akaizer.blogspot.com/

me i just load em into my akai

misterP · Post by **misterP** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:26 pm

soundforge does it well

tathagata · Post by **tathagata** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:21 pm

Thanks guys! Yeah I've done the chopping into tiny bits way, that's the sound I'm after but it takes forever to do it. Soundforge is great but a little too good at timestretching!
I'll try the Akaizer, wish I had an mpc to load things into...

ascii · Post by **ascii** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:24 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:http://akaizer.blogspot.com/

me i just load em into my akai

Thanks!

s & m · Post by **s & m** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:24 pm

wow goldie - timeless.. ill never forget the first time i heard that.. soo sick..

"tiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmeeee lllllesssssssssss"

tathagata · Post by **tathagata** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:47 pm

It's amazing isn't it?!
Cheers Deadly Habit the Akaizer is perfect.

darkartois · Post by **darkartois** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:51 pm

I warp the vocal in Ableton. Very limited to how long you can stretch it tho. Easy to do

knobgoblin · Post by **knobgoblin** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:55 pm

You can do it in reason with the NNXT inside a combinator. I've also made a reaktor plugin to do it. Basically any sampler where you can modulate loop points will do it.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:40 am

whoa, akaizer!

another way used to be load sample into akai--stretch--bounce out to some manner of recorder-- repeat.

holy shit i don't miss my s2000.

krease · Post by **krease** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:08 am

wow that akaizer looks sick!

paradigm_x · Post by **paradigm_x** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:24 am

akaizer is mint

ive still got my s2000 but never use it. massive pita

connection · Post by **connection** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:48 am

TATHAGATA wrote:I've been listening to Timeless by Goldie a lot, and trying to look into how he produced it.

*COUGH*

Rob Playford

*COUGH*

Goldie produced very little of his own early work. The man behind most of it was Rob Playford.

My 2 fave tracks off Timeless are A Sense Of Rage VIP, awesome atmospheric track, and Jah The 7th Seal. The beats are amazing.

That's all I have to contribute.

connection · Post by **connection** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:48 pm

mangos! wrote:Rob Playford certainly engineered Timeless

And Produced! (as well as Dego and Marc Mac).

From Discogs:

paradigm_x · Post by **paradigm_x** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:17 pm

the dillinja remix of jah is baaad as well. forgot all about it til recently. so well produced.

21 slayer salute.

modern dilly

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:29 pm

i like playing with my s2000

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