Caspa responds to Simon Reynolds' Guardian blog

[potemkin]

[quote="Rogue Star
Fair enough, then find nights that you can appreciate, you cant blame the artists for havin a target audience, thats what any musician/artist is after, the rest is up to agents, punters and promoters, when did you come into the scene? were you around when there was only 30 people goin to fwd week in week out? do you know every facet of this industry?

Its easy to find suitable nights to go too, but even easier to moan about the state of affairs within the scene. Your entitled to feel the way you do, but rather then get annoyed surely the logical thing to do would be to find an alternative that agrees with you.[/quote]

I'm not blaming the artists... I am just whining about the kind of people the target audienc consists of.

I came into the "scene" soon after Subloaded started to grow in Bristol.

[rogue star]

unfortunately when you take in to account such are large number of people there will un doubtedly be numpty's goin to these events, theres nothing we can do about this, it will happen in every scene, but seriously fuck them, who cares, theres dickheads on road every day that can make life hard - best thing to do is get on with your own thing, with like minded people and screw the rest. Why am i gonna let the personality of a person affect what, where and when i listen to music? they dont dictate how i do things, i do.

[dubstee]

I swear the average IQ on this forum must be well below 100.

[potemkin]

I guess I just strive to share the same experiences, and pleasure in it with other people too.

It gets annoying being the alone in room B, while your mates go mental to jump up or what ever in Room A.

[soundbwoy]

This is what is really going on. i said this bare times before. Man doesn't even live in LDN or UK, let alone check any dances.

U see it with funky alot- bare mugs tryin come with some ' online discourse' and they aint even checking for any raves.

I think writers/bloggers/journalists need to reference the events before/as they talk cos if you arent talking about that than u aint talking whats really relevant.

Out to Melissa Bradshaw... she knows what time it is

Yo, I don't understand how you'd know who's going to raves or not? There's funky kicking off everywhere I wouldn't be surprised if people wouldn't know where to start with posting raves. When I'm at uni in Cambridge, we've got a regular funky night at Fez that's hosted Crazy Cousinz, Donaeo, Princess Nyah, Logan Sama etc. and then a less regular one at the Junction, and when I get home there's too many rave too many many raves cause I live between Bedford and Milton Keynes. Is it a guess cause there aren't any white man at raves but enough on dsf lol?

[soundbwoy]

My point is that the experience of going to FWD>>, DMZ, Subloaded, Dubloaded, Sub Dub, or HENCH is drastically different to [Instert generic name here] which has "DUBSTEP HIP HOP GRIME DNB FUNKY HOUSE GARAGE MASHUP BASHMENT!!!" on the flyer, and every other dubstep tune dropped is either Caspa, Rusko or Benga.

I am not arguing that those artists are inherently bad, or represent anything bad, I am arguing that the nights where their music is dropped are just... they remind me of political slogans printed on Tshirts made in Bangladesh. It's like it's been repackaged and branded to be sold as a label to put on a flyer, with the generic wobble as the sound to accompany it.

It's just not like the sound system and 'selecta' I'm used to.

Funny cause I did at uni this and last year at uni, we had all of those on the flyer and we MEANT it. Shit was raw, all of the DJs were friends and we all had amazingggg taste in music. A real selecta from Spain playing nu roots, a friend playing dancehall and broken note, rag'n'bone stuff, his brother playing jusssst the deepest stuff like wagawaga, hessle stuff etc, and i played funky and baltimore. Hardly any wobbles, and I've been to a couple of other "student" nights (we didn't advertise ours as student night, mind) in the area which were heavy. And that's after going to all the raves you mentioned!

[dubstee]

caspa had the opportunity to deal with that and make himself look a lot bigger and it came off as a little immature.

the original article was a little retarded, and the guy is just coming off as cynical but i get what he is getting at. it just came across as a focused attack on caspa, which was a little stupid, as he is really questioning the direction of the genre.

no need for the original. no need for the dumb reply.

Read the article carefully and it's clear that while he's not keen on Caspa's music, he appreciates that some people do and makes an obvious effort not to place a value judgement on it. The original was a good piece IMO, very funny in places. To say it's a personal attack misses the point entirely.

[critical sound system]

slightly off topic but

ive said it before, but what really fucks me off about caspa & rusko is the way they say they try & incorporate british culture into there music, how do you do this??

By sampling films like snatch & lock stock & whatever else danny shithead dyer has been in, oh yea, thats really english, a real
good example of english culture...

totally agree with you.
it could be taken as some kind of nationalism.

[deadcell]

"Maybe it's just the song title, but it makes me think of a guy whose idea of a birthday present for his girlfriend is sexy lingerie (a present for himself, in other words)"


thats un-normal?

what a freak!

[mechabot 01]

Also:

You're from Brooklyn, and I can imagine you haven't witnessed the kind of mainstream form Dubstep has taken here in the UK. In till you've done that, I wouldn't make so many judgements.

FAIL, I'm from south east london, I moved here 18 months ago.

If you joined 14-15 months ago, why did you label yourself from Brooklyn, and not East London, as you had been living in East London for 3-4 months prior to that?

And even if you are from East London, I question the number of Dubstep nights geared towards primarily students you've been to.

erm, are you high bruv? I'm from south east london but now live in brooklyn as clearly stated above. Students getting pissed up and jumping around like loons is nothing new and its not really much to do with being a student either, it's more to do with being 18-21.

Students being into a specific type of music do not in any way make it mainstream, the opposite in most cases.

Do we need to continue this waste conversation or shall we end it here?

[fooishbar]

And regardless of Mechabots status, he still is inconsistent with his location, that's all.

who the fuck cares?

i swear being involved in 'holy shit guyz america is the one right now did you hear we invented hip-hop' or 'anything that didn't come out of se19/cr0 is fake' discussions should earn an instant ban, it was pretty boring the first 37 times.

(and before anyone starts with 'you would say that coming from australia', yes i've been to dmz, fwd, subdub, dmz exodus, etc, etc ... a few times. i've also been to some pretty waste dances in the uk and been to a lot of amazing dances outside of the uk.)

[potemkin]

I considered it ended when I realised you meant you moved to Brooklyn, and not moved to East London.

I agree, mostly, with what you're saying about Students and 18-21. I haven't stated that any of this is mainstream though. It's simply the kind of target audience that want to listen to that paticular form of Dubstep, and how annoying they can be, and the following money making schemes capitalising on that target audience.

And I'm not really too sure what the guy above this post is trying to say.

[raffia]

u need to look at the criticism in context - Reynolds has a lot of knowledge but does write some total nonsense - for instance his 'energy flash' book is full of personal opinions presented as historical truths.

and its not just caspa he moans about, he even takes shots at mala and loe do i don't know why capsa would be bothered about the article -

is being guy richie so bad ? he was married to the biggest pop star in the world, makes populist stuff that many people love, and brings in loads of cash. i don't rate his films (or madonna) but i'm sure he's happy.

Where have you been? They are separated ffs. Get your facts straight at least.

i know this. learn to read ffs ?

LOL

This forum is the worst place on earth tbh.

don't give up on tha forum ! peace.

[parallelogram]

bloody terrible ain't it

I CANT STAND IT

[Pistonsbeneath]

ffs this is still alive

and most people seem to have a problem with a critic expressing his opinion

caspas audience are not the kind of people to read a blog of that sort so i don't see what real harm it's done

if anything i think simon reynolds is preaching to the converted so it's kinda pointless

[dr h]

caspas audience are not the kind of people to read a blog of that sort so i don't see what real harm it's done

lol @ the not so subtle suggestion that "caspa fans are too stupid to read"

[Pistonsbeneath]

caspas audience are not the kind of people to read a blog of that sort so i don't see what real harm it's done

lol @ the not so subtle suggestion that "caspa fans are too stupid to read"

I didn't say that

I don't think 17 year old students read the guardian...

[newgunner]

caspas audience are not the kind of people to read a blog of that sort so i don't see what real harm it's done

lol @ the not so subtle suggestion that "caspa fans are too stupid to read"

Caspa fans (not that I am one) are probably found some where in between illiterate and patronizing tnuc

[Pistonsbeneath]

ok ok

so you guys think his audience would read that blog?