Absolute beginner

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:03 pm

Why Reaper instead of any of the others???

It records audio, something that Reason doesn't do.

It has a completely customisable Graphic User Interface. Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools, Live, Renoise??? I don't think so..

It is very simple to use. Double click to create a new track, click record and away you go.

Want a vst synth or fx? Double click for a new track and press 'FX', then choose the synth you want. No stupid routines like in Cubase.

Its free until you've got the money to pay for the fairly priced fee of $60.... Hardly going to break the bank.

It gets updated every week with new user requests.

No dongles nor do you have to buy any overpriced hardware to mac it work.... (Logic/Pro Tools)

/fanboy rant haha

Edit: Waits for the torrent of abuse (no puns intended)

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:14 pm

futures_untold wrote:Why Reaper instead of any of the others???

It records audio, something that Reason doesn't do.

It has a completely customisable Graphic User Interface.

It is very simple to use. Double click to create a new track, click record and away you go.

Want a vst synth or fx? Double click for a new track and press 'FX', then choose the synth you want. No stupid routines like in Cubase.

Its free until you've got the money to pay the fairly priced fee of $60.... Hardly going to break the bank.

It gets updated every week with new user requests.

Reaper has big potential. i cant wait to see the features that get added over time.its already a good program. they are going to do even greater things, since they are competing up against multimillion dollar companies that "know" what they are doing but rarely listen.

ascii · Post by **ascii** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:06 am

hurlingdervish wrote:
ASCII wrote:
Google.com wrote:FL first and then graduate to a DAW with an ugly interface like cubase for pc or logic on mac
fixed
double fixed

That's cool with me, i'm a Logic user (and abuser)

No DAW can look nice with the most ugly OS interface of all; Windows.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:07 am

ASCII wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:
ASCII wrote:
Google.com wrote:FL first and then graduate to a DAW with an ugly interface like cubase for pc or logic on mac
fixed
double fixed
That's cool with me, i'm a Logic user (and abuser)

No DAW can look nice with the most ugly OS interface of all; Windows.

touche buddy...touchee

collige · Post by **collige** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:26 am

futures_untold wrote:Why Renoise instead of any of the others???

It records audio, something that Reason doesn't do.

It has a completely customizable Graphic User Interface. Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools, Live, ??? I don't think so..

It is very simple to use. Double click to create a new track, click record and away you go.

Want a vst synth or fx? Double click for a new track and press 'FX', then choose the synth you want. No stupid routines like in Cubase.

Its free until you've got the money to pay for the fairly priced fee of $80.... Hardly going to break the bank.

No dongles nor do you have to buy any overpriced hardware to mac it work.... (Logic/Pro Tools)

It's got 32 bit wav exporting for audiophiles.

It supports file from every other tracker in existence.

You can make a wobble in less than 30 seconds.
Edit: Waits for the torrent of abuse (no puns intended)

Fix'd.

grooki · Post by **grooki** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:24 am

what Futures Untold said.
simple is good at first

anyone remember Hammerhead? lol simple!

.onelove. · Post by **.onelove.** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:46 pm

Think i was a bit naive to asume I could make music without learning the theory first, I'm still not sure on chords/scales and all that

Anyone recommend any books or sites I could use to expand my musical knowledge?

allisfullof · Post by **allisfullof** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:54 pm

.OneLove. wrote:Think i was a bit naive to asume I could make music without learning the theory first, I'm still not sure on chords/scales and all that

Anyone recommend any books or sites I could use to expand my musical knowledge?

dont mean to come off as a dick, but it's really important to learn to use google and the rest of the internet to search out information, especially when first starting out.

anything and everything you could ever want to know about chords and scales can be found with a simple search on google. if you're serious about producing music you're gonna have to dig deep and get your hands dirty!

with that said, there's quite a load of useful information here on the forum. spend some time going thru posts, write shit down, and definetly have a look at the production bible, as well as the other stickies at the top of the page.

good luck!

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:16 pm

.OneLove. wrote:Think i was a bit naive to asume I could make music without learning the theory first, I'm still not sure on chords/scales and all that

you would think that....and you would mostly be right....

but alot of people get by without any proper knowledge other than knowing what sounds good, but you really should do some research

86. · Post by **86.** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:53 pm

Didn't read all the responses so I don't know if this was said.

But I think it's good to just make tunes....straight up. Ignore the engineering aspect of it when you first start. Get into the process of making a lot of tunes fast in the beginning. They won't be classic, but you'll understand how to say what you need to say in the most basic terms. And little-by-little learn the technical side of things more.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:53 pm

I would say, try a variety of DAWs to see what works best for you most of all? You can make music out the box with most DAWs without any hardware.

I never got the 'get a DAW and stick to it and learn it inside out and then move on eventually' type deal. I would just get a couple of completely different DAWs (FL, Live, Renoise, for example) and just see what feels more natural once you've got the basics down.

I'm Renoise through and through, but meh, all the programs do the same thing in different ways. I think what's most important in DAWs is the general feel of them and how you work with them, features are nice, but even if a program lacks a certain feature, when you work for a long enough time with a piece of software, technique and tricks will come with time and will more than make up for features that are unique to other pieces of software.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:38 pm

nowaysj wrote:Everything you need to do can be done in flstudio. And 8.5/9 has many great improvements. If you buy flstudio you have lifetime free upgrades. I bought it in 99, and still, I get every update for free. Flstudio is the sound of dubstep.

if you buy online
not in a store boxed version which is retarded

reaper is great for the too lazy tyo pirate crew who won't spring for the cheap license for it and seems to be coming along nicely
try out renoise too, bit intimidating at first but once you go thru the wiki and basics it's quick to work with and you get alot more precision with your controling of fx automation etc by using a tracker in half the time it takes to do in a traditional sequencer, plus it's pretty cheap and i think you get free updates for up to a full version upgrade so buy now at 2.1 and you're god thru 3.1
i would advocate cubase on here but the price tag for 5 is a bit hefty
ableton may be best route to go tbh to me it beats out fl in terms of a full fledged entry level because it's recording is way better than fl

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:37 pm

Deadly Habit wrote:Reaper is great for the too lazy tyo pirate crew who won't spring for the cheap license for it

Thats me!

I'm finally getting convinced that trying Renoise may be a good idea... I'll keep you posted on tyhat one though

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:59 pm

Just remember - its how you use it, not what you use.

tavravlavish · Post by **tavravlavish** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:53 am

ive smoked crack a couple times, i enjoyed it.

HAACK · Post by **HAACK** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:26 am

Starting out: I recommend trying out various DAW's to familiarize yourself with the elements of production and determine which program suites your production style.
Reason 4: http://www.propellerheads.se/download/
Ableton: http://www.ableton.com/downloads
Fruity Loops: http://flstudio.image-line.com/documents/download.html

Equipment: Everyone starts somewhere and your always going to pay, but that's a good thing. Eventually you want to upgrade your sound card, midi keyboard, and external controllers. Here is a recommendation of some fairly entry level equipment:
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pr ... sku=241213
http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.c ... sku=706313

But it seems a big risk to spend that much on something you may be absolutely hopeless at.

^ And with this mindset you should probably consider staying away from production, otherwise, if you commit and make a sacrifice for music it will give something to you that is very profound in return.

Cheers.

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