dj vs producer

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:12 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:im still waiting for a standardized midi guitar that doesnt run horn and bongo sounds off of a pedal module

is a square wave guitar too much to ask?

i want a normal guitar that sounds like massive?

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:15 pm

3za wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:im still waiting for a standardized midi guitar that doesnt run horn and bongo sounds off of a pedal module

is a square wave guitar too much to ask?
i want a normal guitar that sounds like massive?

is that so wrong...

that way you can use the original wobble

the wah wah pedal

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:18 pm

wah wah what is this you talk of?

live electronic music sounds like shit but has more soul so it wins

alphacat · Post by **alphacat** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:40 pm

3za wrote:thats rubbish my mouse has got 2 buttons and a wheel.

plus i got a keyboard with pads, knobs and sliders.

Heh. OK, you got me there... but I still don't think 2 buttons and a wheel can hold a candle to a fretboard in terms of possible range of nuance.

Pads, knobs and sliders also improve the situation somewhat, but... they're still pretty simple controls, compared to the skill it takes to get a range of sounds out of your breath, the touch of fingers, all that.

Live electronic music always looks like a cop-out to me though, even when it's good. Even Roni Size's live deal - as good & organic as some of the tunes were - didn't really do much for me. I know some heads that got really into it though and went out to form their own live DnB acts... which lasted a year or two until everyone got sick of waiting for the drummer to stop flaking.

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:48 pm

Electronic Emotion, When you play a synthesizer you realise that it is not something that imitates real instruments: that's been something of a misnomer over the years. Its really about taking vibrating electrons and creating a new reality.

taken from www.myspace.com/instramentaluk

ps dnb is still alive

alphacat · Post by **alphacat** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:54 pm

3za wrote:Electronic Emotion, When you play a synthesizer you realise that it is not something that imitates real instruments: that's been something of a misnomer over the years. Its really about taking vibrating electrons and creating a new reality.

Agreed. It's its own instrument. I realized that the day I brought home a used old Juno-60 and plugged it in...

And for me it's about discovering the new nuances that whatever instruments bring to the table, not imitating old ones w/ electronic clones. Probably the same with you guys too.

You know how old analog (and some digital) synths often have sweet spots where the faders or knobs in just the right position make some unearthly sound that doesn't really make sense given what you're tweaking, but you just love it even more for it? More of that. Less presets.

The problem is that software is usually designed to prevent this kind of randomness, though.

3za wrote:ps dnb is still alive

Amen to that!

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:01 pm

do both and work really, really hard at 'em.

In truth, it's really the only way.

apathesis · Post by **apathesis** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:02 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
dj's days are numbered

To be frank,

Bollocks

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:43 pm

when I first moved to LA, the thing I wanted to do more than anything else was DJ. So I learned how to beatmatch and started in on the tweaking of knobs and so forth. But the minute I opened ableton, I pretty much knew that's where my heart would stay.

I admire DJs for their sense of showmanship and their ability to handle the pressure of such an immediate response. I admire DJs who can choose their tunes well and create a landscape for the listener.

That being said, coming from a painting/writing approach to the arts, I'm very timid about that kind of immediate pressure. I also am terrified of making a mistake in front of other people. Combine that with the joy of secret creation, knowing that what people listen to is solely because I felt like sharing it, and being able to present something I made when I decide I want to.....leaves me pretty content with being a producer only.

If I ever get to the point where people want to hear my tunes and want to hear me spin my own music, then I'll brush up on spinning. But the only DJ aspirations I have is for when people want to hear enough of my music that they're coming just for that and not merely my ability to mix them. And if that's the case, I'll never have to be a fantastic DJ. I can be a fantastic producer instead.

step correct · Post by **step correct** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:53 pm

DJed for 11 years and started playing around with production for a bit about 6 years in. I've always been more of a DJ. So about a year ago I really dived headfirst into production and I took a pretty big break from DJing only to practice when I have an upcoming gig. I simply don't have the time which kind of sucks. It's a lot of work doing both but as mentioned before once you build up your own little arsenal of tunes you are golden. So do both if you can.

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:50 pm

nowaysj wrote:If you are making dance music, knowing what works on the dancefloor must be beneficial to a producer?

yeah it is but you dont have to be a Dj to know that

tezifon · Post by **tezifon** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:56 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:im still waiting for a standardized midi guitar that doesnt run horn and bongo sounds off of a pedal module

is a square wave guitar too much to ask?

fuzz+electric guitar = square wave

you can use too some synths or pedals

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:59 pm

Apathesis wrote:Was producing long before I started mixing, to me they are very seperate things, do both!

Sometimes I feel like a mix, and sometimes I feel like making music. I rarely feel like doing both.

For me it goes hand in hand.

Back in like 95 when I quit my last band I started getting into electronic music. I knew that is what I wanted to do. Make those records. I figured the best way to go about it was get inside the head of a dj by becoming one. DJing was too much fun I kind of forgot about producing for a few years. After I got good at djing and played all over the place then I decided it was time to get serious about production and so I did. I don't practice djing anymore but I have a lot of experience. Still play out 2 to 4 times a month. Now to add to that my label mixes right in with both. Provides an outlet for my music and fills my record bag with tunes and in turn production and djing is good promo for the label.

To look at it another way, you can't get any good gigs if you don't produce and you can't make any money from your music of you don't dj so like I say, it goes hand in hand.

Brisance · Post by **Brisance** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:01 pm

Also there is a MIDI pickup for guitars..

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:25 pm

Brisance wrote:Also there is a MIDI pickup for guitars..

hmm i wonder how effective it is. seems like there would be lots of glitches and or delay. will definately check it out though. but it seems like

SO many guitarists are into audio production, yet 99 percent of the controllers are keyboard. there should be a standard rather than an add on.

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:28 pm

nowaysj wrote:Can't hurt.

yeah my alter ego is a DJ/MC because i love both but cant do either. thats enogth DJ for me.

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:31 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
Brisance wrote:Also there is a MIDI pickup for guitars..
hmm i wonder how effective it is. seems like there would be lots of glitches and or delay. will definately check it out though. but it seems like

SO many guitarists are into audio production, yet 99 percent of the controllers are keyboard. there should be a standard rather than an add on.

you could get a keytar its inthe middle

dont yamaha do a midi guitar

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:40 pm

3za wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:
Brisance wrote:Also there is a MIDI pickup for guitars..
hmm i wonder how effective it is. seems like there would be lots of glitches and or delay. will definately check it out though. but it seems like

SO many guitarists are into audio production, yet 99 percent of the controllers are keyboard. there should be a standard rather than an add on.
you could get a keytar its inthe middle

dont yamaha do a midi guitar

that yamaha guitar looks like it does the trick.

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