dj vs producer

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:42 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
3za wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:
Brisance wrote:Also there is a MIDI pickup for guitars..
hmm i wonder how effective it is. seems like there would be lots of glitches and or delay. will definately check it out though. but it seems like

SO many guitarists are into audio production, yet 99 percent of the controllers are keyboard. there should be a standard rather than an add on.
you could get a keytar its inthe middle

dont yamaha do a midi guitar
that yamaha guitar looks like it does the trick.

props

man you can get midi saxs (akai i think) and all sorts

yellowhighlighter · Post by **yellowhighlighter** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:08 am

why are people talking about midi guitars? the piano standard is the standard for a reason. the intricacies of a guitar are not going to be transferable through midi. when it comes to playing notes a piano wins. electronic music production and the tools used to create it are meant for the studio, not for live events (although it is moving in that direction).

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:23 am

yellowhighlighter wrote:why are people talking about midi guitars? the piano standard is the standard for a reason. the intricacies of a guitar are not going to be transferable through midi. when it comes to playing notes a piano wins. electronic music production and the tools used to create it are meant for the studio, not for live events (although it is moving in that direction).

why did i bring up midi guitars? because alot of people know how to play guitar better than keyboard... obviously its easier with a piano because its just percussion.

i should say that squarepusher now composes with his bass guitar through midi.

if you dont see the advantage of composing with the instrument you know best than i dont know what to tell you.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:31 am

furthermore if you came from a guitar background and started sequencing composing, you have to learn piano because its the standard.

now you know two instruments, which isnt really a great thing as people know that phrase "jack of all trades, master of none" so now my guitar has taken the wayside, so if i could bring it back through midi i could do alot more composition wise.

sigbowls · Post by **sigbowls** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:34 am

thay should make digital guitars

that are compact

yellowhighlighter · Post by **yellowhighlighter** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:23 am

hurlingdervish wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:why are people talking about midi guitars? the piano standard is the standard for a reason. the intricacies of a guitar are not going to be transferable through midi. when it comes to playing notes a piano wins. electronic music production and the tools used to create it are meant for the studio, not for live events (although it is moving in that direction).
why did i bring up midi guitars? because alot of people know how to play guitar better than keyboard... obviously its easier with a piano because its just percussion.

i should say that squarepusher now composes with his bass guitar through midi.

if you dont see the advantage of composing with the instrument you know best than i dont know what to tell you.

what are you talking about?

i find the piano roll type of editing closer to actual notation. using a guitar as a midi instrument is kind of stupid. a guitar offers no technical advantage to a keyboard. like i said we are talking about a studio environment, not live playing.

and if you think that knowing how to play multiple instruments is a bad thing then i don't know what to tell you.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:30 am

yellowhighlighter wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:why are people talking about midi guitars? the piano standard is the standard for a reason. the intricacies of a guitar are not going to be transferable through midi. when it comes to playing notes a piano wins. electronic music production and the tools used to create it are meant for the studio, not for live events (although it is moving in that direction).
why did i bring up midi guitars? because alot of people know how to play guitar better than keyboard... obviously its easier with a piano because its just percussion.

i should say that squarepusher now composes with his bass guitar through midi.

if you dont see the advantage of composing with the instrument you know best than i dont know what to tell you.
what are you talking about?

i find the piano roll type of editing closer to actual notation. using a guitar as a midi instrument is kind of stupid. a guitar offers no technical advantage to a keyboard. like i said we are talking about a studio environment, not live playing.

and if you think that knowing how to play multiple instruments is a bad thing then i don't know what to tell you.

go try balancing life and multiple instruments. something gets left out. you could never be as good at one as you could the other. throw in dj-ing, then throw in mixing and your now juggling a shitload. go do this and get back to me.

guitar midi would make life easier for me who are you to say it wouldnt?

yellowhighlighter · Post by **yellowhighlighter** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:39 am

how the hell is knowing how to play an extra instrument going to take over your life? i personally think the idea of an MIDI guitar is useless. if you feel like it would improve your compositions because you are more skilled on the guitar than on the keys then that's fine.

i don't like guitars. stop acting like it's so hard to do multiple things djing/producing/playing an instrument. quit one if you don't want to do it. are you being paid for messing with music? if you're not then you should be making music for fun. you're basically trying to tell me you have too many hobbies.

djake · Post by **djake** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:42 am

if u become a good prodcuer people are gunna wanna book you

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:11 am

yellowhighlighter wrote:how the hell is knowing how to play an extra instrument going to take over your life? i personally think the idea of an MIDI guitar is useless. if you feel like it would improve your compositions because you are more skilled on the guitar than on the keys then that's fine.

i don't like guitars. stop acting like it's so hard to do multiple things djing/producing/playing an instrument. quit one if you don't want to do it. are you being paid for messing with music? if you're not then you should be making music for fun. you're basically trying to tell me you have too many hobbies.

right you made your point based on your opinion of guitars after that...let it go.
because i know im not the only one who feels this way. has nothing to do with not wanting to do all those things at once, has to do with focusing my time effort and creativity into MASTERING them. im done wasting energy explaining something to you i shouldnt even have had to in the first place. have a good night

sigbowls · Post by **sigbowls** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:34 am

bass/ guitar

thats what i wont

not really a keyboard to play live

HAACK · Post by **HAACK** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:14 am

Producer by day, DJ by night.

notch · Post by **notch** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:44 am

Make big tunes..Get big GIGS!!

I have A.D.D. and thought of this..If anyone is in SoCal they should check out my homie Osal8 playing Ableton live at a party..He is probably one of my favorite dubstep artist in Cali.. You have never a heard filter sweep until you have heard a sugar bytes wow filter sweeping through some filthy dubstep. The computer offers some awesome effects like the sugar bytes effectrix and the ability to drop the accapellas into your set is cool too.. maybe like the new eminem accapella..

rhek · Post by **rhek** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:07 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:I actually just saw daedalus live this past friday and I thought it was pretty shit lol ..

Just taking this oppertunity.. I actually thought Daedalus was a joke.

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:17 pm

Stapleface wrote:always be producer first, DJ second
that way you can DJ your own tunes cos they're actually good
that's what I reckon

erm... I'm not sure about this one

I DJ often but I unless I'm booked as Littlefoot the producer (which considering I have one release which has been out a week, Im not very often) I generally play a set of almost completely other peoples tunes.

This is not to say my selection is not every much based around the same artistic vision as the producing.. but remember not everyone will want to hear your tunes on a system as much as you, unless you're Skream or Benga

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:18 pm

djake wrote:if u become a good prodcuer people are gunna wanna book you

but if your a clangmaster you won't get booked till your the sickest DJ..

timmytutone · Post by **timmytutone** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:43 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:why are people talking about midi guitars? the piano standard is the standard for a reason. the intricacies of a guitar are not going to be transferable through midi. when it comes to playing notes a piano wins. electronic music production and the tools used to create it are meant for the studio, not for live events (although it is moving in that direction).
why did i bring up midi guitars? because alot of people know how to play guitar better than keyboard... obviously its easier with a piano because its just percussion.

i should say that squarepusher now composes with his bass guitar through midi.

if you dont see the advantage of composing with the instrument you know best than i dont know what to tell you.

check yourself, the guitar is technically a percussion instrument. i've played for 14 years, and i do all my production with a keyboard (played piano for about 10 years). in my opinion, a guitar would be more difficult to use when triggering midi, but it would be fun to try. especially if you could do some ill live shit.

el topo · Post by **el topo** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:40 pm

producer > dj

producer + dj/ talent= ARTIST

3za · Post by **3za** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:41 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:why are people talking about midi guitars? the piano standard is the standard for a reason. the intricacies of a guitar are not going to be transferable through midi. when it comes to playing notes a piano wins. electronic music production and the tools used to create it are meant for the studio, not for live events (although it is moving in that direction).
why did i bring up midi guitars? because alot of people know how to play guitar better than keyboard... obviously its easier with a piano because its just percussion.

i should say that squarepusher now composes with his bass guitar through midi.

if you dont see the advantage of composing with the instrument you know best than i dont know what to tell you.
what are you talking about?

i find the piano roll type of editing closer to actual notation. using a guitar as a midi instrument is kind of stupid. a guitar offers no technical advantage to a keyboard. like i said we are talking about a studio environment, not live playing.

and if you think that knowing how to play multiple instruments is a bad thing then i don't know what to tell you.
go try balancing life and multiple instruments. something gets left out. you could never be as good at one as you could the other. throw in dj-ing, then throw in mixing and your now juggling a shitload. go do this and get back to me.

guitar midi would make life easier for me who are you to say it wouldnt?

i hate the guitar it is such a backwards instrument but for some people it works. i do love the sound of a guitar i just hate to play it.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:13 pm

hurlingdervish wrote: its just percussion

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

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