Dub (feedback) delay in ableton live

[hurlingdervish]

so you may have noticed theres no feed back on the delays inside of ableton live. it only appears that way... setting it up is really simple.

put your delay and/or reverb on a return channel, and right click the sends on the knob area and click "enable send". turn up the same send knob as the return channel

you are now sending the send into itself.

now just send a channel to the return like you normally would using the volume on the return to control the feedback as it gets nasty.

really nasty

[karmacazee]

That's a truly top tip right there!

[AFL]

nice one, thanks for that!

[q23]

You can also send it and return it to another channel rather than the same channel. This way you can now put another delay on JUST the effects and not the original source sound. You also have all the channel control over just the effect as well, giving you the ability to EQ or compress the effect but not the source sound.

Old School Dub Style

[hurlingdervish]

You can also send it and return it to another channel rather than the same channel. This way you can now put another delay on JUST the effects and not the original source sound. You also have all the channel control over just the effect as well, giving you the ability to EQ or compress the effect but not the source sound.

Old School Dub Style

you arent affecting the source sound unless you set the routing to "sends only"

so the only benefit i see of doing it that way is to record the output of it

[q23]

correction: you arent affecting the source sound WITH THE SAME EFFECT unless you set the routing to "sends only"

The bennefit is you now have full control over the source AND full control over the effect. I can put a reverb on a snare, then put a delay on JUST the reverb but not the source snare for example. I can EQ the effect without EQing the source because they are on different channels.

This is not some off the top of my head stuff I made up. King Tubby and Augustus Pablo were routing like this using hardware in the 70s on their dub tracks. All those crazy effects that sounded like the mother ship was landing were ordinary sounds routed through crazy effects chains.

[hurlingdervish]

the thing is the source is going to both the master and the send then to the master, unless you have the return tracks on "pre" or you arent using live

all your doing by sending it to another return track is adding another volume control

maybe you should explain it better or with a screenshot and audio file?

[hurlingdervish]

http://www.box.net/shared/54729lqtzr

thats a verb on a delay on one return track

sounds pretty dubby to me

[hurlingdervish]

sorry if it sounds like im doubting you im not, i just want to make sure i get it and i dont get it as of now

[baydestrian]

?

Maybe I am missing something, but there is feedback on the delays in Ableton.

What version are you using?

When I drop a simple delay on to a track, there are 2 knobs at the bottom, dry/wet and feedback?

[hurlingdervish]

?

Maybe I am missing something, but there is feedback on the delays in Ableton.

What version are you using?

When I drop a simple delay on to a track, there are 2 knobs at the bottom, dry/wet and feedback?

thats not actually real feedback

thats just how long the delay goes

listen to the file i posted youll see what i mean

[baydestrian]

ahhhh.... Nice!

I see what you mean...

Thanks for clearing that up!