Kicks - Low Cut Or Side Chain???? - Better Ways To Mix

Arshaw · Post by **Arshaw** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:56 pm

i was just wonderin wheither people use low cutting or side chaining on their kick to give room for the sub or bass.

obv in Dnb people low cut, do any dubsteppers who used to produce dnb lowcut in dubstep?

also ive heard many people usin side chaing as a mix tool in like breaks n stuff mainly, slower tempos obv.

jus wonderin what people use, prefer, have any advice on ETC!!!!

ne thoughts?

cheers,
lamont

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:25 pm

[posted on poll thread]

p.t.b.d · Post by **p.t.b.d** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:39 pm

side chainings better as it gives the kicks more weight than low cutting them

you dont have to side chain with compression you can just change the automation volume

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:31 pm

side chaining is the lazy way, unless you want that pumping effect

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:33 pm

sidechaining has a definite sound that may or may not work for the tune.

jedison · Post by **jedison** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:38 pm

Yah I always go for EQing and filtering over sidechaining. I use sidechaining for the effect but I don't rely on it as I think it can make you lazy if that's the only way you can get things sitting pretty in a mix.

Ongelegen · Post by **Ongelegen** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:46 pm

I preffer eq/filtering over sidechaining, its only good for its effect imo. I usually hipass kicks around 65-85hz, depending on the kick. Even kicks hipassed at 80hz or so can give u quite a punch

ruckus49 · Post by **ruckus49** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:26 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:sidechaining has a definite sound that may or may not work for the tune.

knowledge

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:29 pm

sidechaining is the lazy EQ'ers way around sound clashes and poor mixdowns.
There is almost another way around it and personally i only use it as a sound effect rather than a mixdown tool.
just my thoughts

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:36 pm

You could also do a very easy thing.....

not have sub playing when kick is - just build your bassline that way.. ive done it a few times due to just getting ideas down before I can be bothered to mix and pick sounds - and sometimes the b-line worked well..

stux · Post by **stux** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:45 pm

low cut, a big subby kick 90% of the time just sounds loose to me, much rather it have a big old punch and leave the sub to the sub bass

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:53 pm

if it was fidget or electro or indeed breaks as you said, then side chaining is more than excusable cus it creates an effect that's a staple of those styles.

with dubstep this isn't really the case. both 4x4y garage-influenced type basslines and reggae/dub-influenced walking basslines are going to want to hit on the beat a lot, so side chaining is often gonna do you few favours. unless you really want the effect, again usually not too likely in dubstep, it is basically a cop out.

i usually just high pass kick at 80, something this forum taught me to do, thank god

puppykicker · Post by **puppykicker** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:22 pm

not to be redundant... but sidechaining is def an effect... not a mix tool. use a spectrum anlalyzer and roll off just before your fundamental harmonic. also... just finding kicks and sub tones/notes that sit well together in the first place helps me alot. instead of trying to eq the shit out of everything to make it fit

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:24 pm

point, i think its often understated the amount of work you can save yourself by using sounds that work well together to start with.

megaladon · Post by **megaladon** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:52 pm

d1rt1989 wrote:point, i think its often understated the amount of work you can save yourself by using sounds that work well together to start with.

This is words that does make sense.

glottis5 · Post by **glottis5** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:57 pm

I sidechain because I'm lazy

-dubson- · Post by **-dubson-** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:02 pm

sidechaining in reason anyone?

d1rt1989 wrote: point, i think its often understated the amount of work you can save yourself by using sounds that work well together to start with.

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:29 pm

yeep. sometimes i dont eq stuff at all. naughty naughty.

manicmckanic · Post by **manicmckanic** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:11 pm

less is always better with drums.. much tighter and cleaner I find.
Start with the right samples

megaladon · Post by **megaladon** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:19 am

With my current horrible form at actually writing tunes I'm putting tomorrow aside to make folders of all the best hits/samples of got to hand in one place. I've been meaning to do this for ages and this thread has just got me back on track. If you can have a beat going and cycle through different hits to see what fits, that could be a good few hours of EQ/comp tweaking saved.

I'm certain you all wanted to know that.

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