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adikt · Post by **adikt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:31 pm

stnuc that go overboard will always be stnuc that go overboard with or without filesharing. the post-napster/kazaa era created as many responsible downloaders as irresponsible...but as usual the bad shows up as a bigger radar blip than the good.

listen. fuck the man. support music & art. i think we all agree on that.
that & that those are some dope ass album covers.

would it be too much to say i gotta go download that?

to be fair i'm currently looking to buy just for the cover...

whygohome10 · Post by **whygohome10** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:57 pm

not even gonna touch the file sharing argument

but relatively speaking these guys sold out, hard core

Dark Reign · Post by **Dark Reign** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:22 pm

YAAR!

__________ · Post by **__________** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:39 pm

stick to mininova then

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:41 am

Adikt wrote:the post-napster/kazaa era created as many responsible downloaders as irresponsible..

man... your gonna have one hella of a hangover tommorow.

adikt · Post by **adikt** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:59 am

just cus you don't know them doesnt mean they don't exist man.
i can come up with as many positive examples as you can negative.

the comparison to anal sex is a pretty good one.
tho i don't share that as much as my music

rip PB

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:12 am

Adikt wrote:just cus you don't know them doesnt mean they don't exist man.
i can come up with as many positive examples as you can negative.

well. counter this then. some one said file sharing sites are what "exposes" them to music.

http://www.itfacts.biz/83-music-buyers- ... ovie/10673

83% music buyers find their music from hearing a song on the radio, on TV, or in a movie

EDIT: of course these facts could be just the oppisite, lol

it is the internet.

jsilver · Post by **jsilver** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:32 am

fuck them and the corporations

both steal and are rich stnuc

cyberneticghost · Post by **cyberneticghost** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:15 am

The thing that people seem to forget is that downloading doesn't just hurt the greedy multi-billion dollar CEO. It hurts the little guys as well.

I have seen many people complain on this forum about the fact that there are no more corner record shops anymore. Do you really wonder why?

There are multiple mastering engineers on this forum and by downloading you hurt them as well.

You hurt the mastering engineers, cutting engineers, CD pressers, cover artists, shipping department, Programmers and coders every time you pirate.

Would it be great to revolutionize the music/video industry and stop these greedy people? Of course, I don't think anyone could say no, but downloading is not the answer.

I suppose there are people who don't really give a shit about the working man, they will always exist and nothing can change that. Now that piracy has become so mainstream it will never go away, but every time you click that link remember not the CEO or VP, think of the guy inhaling plastic vapor for minimum wage just to press that CD.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:16 am

bass hertz wrote:Fucking lame ass pirates.

think you're only stealing from the "rich" ??

my friend couldnt get the funding to code his next game, cuz his shit was leaked. Never made much to cover the advertising and product placement. He made zero and has trouble taking care of his family mowing grass and odd jobs.

what do people think?? there's a bunch of old dudes in suits sitting somewhere in a 200 story building, smoking cigars and drinking scotch, talking about how they gonna rip everyone off by charging thirty dollars for a game? thats not the media industry, thats oil companies. wanna play robin hood?? go steal a barrel of oil.

get real
fucking lamers
(those who steal)

Co-signed. I'm actually quite tired of people talking about how it's cool to steal because it's a corporation. Human beings with wives and husbands and kids and mortgages work for corporations. Walmart is a corporation. You steal from a Walmart, you think that rich bastard is the one taking the financial hit? No, the consumer will when the prices of shit go up to cover the losses. The worker will, when they cut their pay because if they don't turn a profit the stock will crash and those workers won't have a job to begin with, let alone the pay they had before.

Or how about you consider for a fucking moment... maybe some people are rich because they worked hard, came up with a nice idea or invention and they deserve to be compensated for their time, energy, effort and expense(yea, games and music cost money to make for legitimate companies. yea, most of those major labels and producers had to actually buy that gear.)

It always gets me a bit salty when people are quick to say "other people steal" to justify their own actions. What you mean to say is "I STEAL." What you mean to say is "I AM PROJECTING MY OWN ACTIONS ON OTHERS."

What they are really doing is trying to make themselves feel comfortable with their actions. It's disgusting.

Shining example to put that "I was exposed via filesharing" shit to bed...

Nine Inch Nails made one of their releases available for free via their website. You could get the full quality release for a VERY small and reasonable fee direct from Trent Reznor himself. Or, you could download the 192 mp3 for free to hear it first and buy it later if you like it and want to support it.

Over 1 Million downloads took place direct from the NIN website. less than 100k bought what they could get for free. If given the option to take something free without paying, people chose to take what was free, decided they liked it, then went out and sought the lossless copy on torrent/rapid*****/use***

So yes, being exposed to something DOES increase the likelihood that you will ultimately seek it out. But having the ability to get it for free, even though it is on sale doesn't change human nature. Torrent trackers should be ONLY for legitimate uses such as open source, trading of abandonware games, out of print items which are not being offered commercially, etc... I'd like to personally take anyone who runs a torrent tracker out and shoot them in the head. And I'm not saying that to get a rise, I mean I'd literally fucking end their shit if I ever caught them seeding or tracking our shit.

And another thing... it takes some serious fucking balls to come on a forum full of producers/DJ's and label owners who work very fucking hard to make sure there are new and innovative releases on the market to bring joy and peace into your life, and start talking about how legitimate it is for you to steal the fruits of their labor. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

I'd tell you lot to get a fucking job, but GASP it might be at a corporation...

kins83 · Post by **kins83** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:22 am

Controversial. 6/10

sifres · Post by **sifres** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:22 am

Surface_Tension wrote:And another thing... it takes some serious fucking balls to come on a forum full of producers/DJ's and label owners who work very fucking hard to make sure there are new and innovative releases on the market to bring joy and peace into your life, and start talking about how legitimate it is for you to steal the fruits of their labor. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

I'd tell you lot to get a fucking job, but GASP it might be at a corporation...

It takes some serious fucking stupidity to write things of as "thief!" and call that the bigger picture.

Consider that the music industry has become so large and corporate that it doesn't hold up music anymore. Consider the business models are build on physical CD sales and prices, and they want to continue asking the same price. Consider trademark organisations bleeding people dry for a podcast.

You think that revenue was going to the artist in questions? The mastering engineers? No... It all went to the leeches in the pelt.

Downloading IS forcing the industry to change. And review their business models. That's a good thing after the 90's where it was possible to hype shitty music just by marketing. It clears the air for the independants and decent music we all hold so highly.

Oh and if you look around you in this thread, and the forum in general, you will notice that this is mainly a non p2p scene. People feel the need to support. This discussion aint strictly about dubstep, so your comment comes down as very arrogant and presumtious. Just because people are airing a view that's different from yours doesn't mean you can call them workless thiefs.

But GASP i'm asking you to take a look at the bigger picture instead of repeating a moral groundrule from the bibble that has been aired in this thread by 4 people in 12 different posts.

But I feel I'm repeating myself... As are the OP...
I'm outta here... This discussion already cost me a full night I could have spend producing.

aftee · Post by **aftee** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:57 am

I skipped the 7 pages of debate...but in regards to people needing new sites I rarely used piratebay anyways. Mininova is a great and heavily moderated website, all the anti-p2p groups have problems screwing with them. Mininova.org and Demonoid, but once again I mainly just use mininova and it takes care of w/e I need.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:02 am

Sifres wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:And another thing... it takes some serious fucking balls to come on a forum full of producers/DJ's and label owners who work very fucking hard to make sure there are new and innovative releases on the market to bring joy and peace into your life, and start talking about how legitimate it is for you to steal the fruits of their labor. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

I'd tell you lot to get a fucking job, but GASP it might be at a corporation...
It takes some serious fucking stupidity to write things of as "thief!" and call that the bigger picture.

Consider that the music industry has become so large and corporate that it doesn't hold up music anymore. Consider the business models are build on physical CD sales and prices, and they want to continue asking the same price. Consider trademark organisations bleeding people dry for a podcast.

You think that revenue was going to the artist in questions? The mastering engineers? No... It all went to the leeches in the pelt.

Downloading IS forcing the industry to change. And review their business models. That's a good thing after the 90's where it was possible to hype shitty music just by marketing. It clears the air for the independants and decent music we all hold so highly.

Oh and if you look around you in this thread, and the forum in general, you will notice that this is mainly a non p2p scene. People feel the need to support. This discussion aint strictly about dubstep, so your comment comes down as very arrogant and presumtious. Just because people are airing a view that's different from yours doesn't mean you can call them workless thiefs.

But GASP i'm asking you to take a look at the bigger picture instead of repeating a moral groundrule from the bibble that has been aired in this thread by 4 people in 12 different posts.

But I feel I'm repeating myself... As are the OP...
I'm outta here... This discussion already cost me a full night I could have spend producing.

Get a fucking job. If you steal from me I'm definitely going to fuck you up when I see you. Nothing else matters really. The only thing that has changed in the industry is that music became disposable instead of something you clutched to your chest and kept forever. I still have the first CD I bought. I still have the first vinyl I bought. I still remember buying them and the feeling I had when I played them on my own turntables the first time. This isn't a digital/physical debate. The thing is, you made all sorts of statements there, but you didn't refute what I said.

You didn't buy it? You don't have permission to have it? You fucking stole it then. Why you stole it doesn't matter. There is no justification for it. I used to steal shit when I was younger and stupid, from stickup kid type shit to fucking random people over to scam artist shit... I was fucking wrong. At no point did any of my justifications for stealing undo the fact that I had stolen something that didn't belong to me. I was a thief. You can't talk your way out of that. I don't believe in the bible. In fact, I think pretty much anyone who gives any serious credence to the bible as a divine work is a fucking idiot personally. But for all of their stupidity for believing in something that doesn't exist, they didn't steal from my pocket. From my kids plate.

Who do you think runs the machines that manufacture CDs, or work in the studios making those records? You say commercial music is clear to steal yea? Why not right, it's just the corporations losing out?

Wrong asshole. It's the small artist that COULD have been signed to a deal that put them in a new tax bracket, someone who could have perhaps scraped by on their talents and had a job they loved more than anything in their life. It might have been the thing that took some inner city kid out of abject fucking poverty and put him in the position to buy his mom that worked 3 jobs to keep a roof over his head in Compton a house. You just took that away from that guy. You took the utter fucking bliss that would have given him to be able to pay his mom back for the worrying and saving pennies...

Why?

Because a rich person may also profit off of that? Guess what you fucking assholes.. that's life. Not everyone can be rich. Not everyone should have to be poor because you are. Not everyone should have everything fucking handed to them because they won't fucking appreciate shit since they never worked for it. You wonder why music is so fucking disposable look in the mirror. Look at yourself. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

We are not talking about rich execs here, we're talking about people out there on the grind, city to city, 1 star hotel to 1 star hotel... sleeping in their van, playing for change and getting fucked over by promoters. But here you are up in your fucking ivory tower wanting to socialize that rich panhandlers wealth. What's next, you wanna go burn down a fucking orphanage? Not that I want to see those little poor bastards burned alive, but I hear the volunteers inside the soup kitchen have a pension, so those kids must burn. Fuck those little homeless bastards, we have volunteers who need liberation from their hard earned money.

Fuck.

What is the business model that YOU suggest?

We can press records, which you will rip and steal.
We can release CDs, which you will rip and steal.
We can sell digital copies, which you will steal.
We can give the shit away, which you won't bother fucking with because if it's not good enough to be ripped and stolen from a legitimate label, you won't fucking touch it.

How the fuck do you want people to deliver the end product? FREE? No, you want to steal it. That is all, you are a fucking scumbag thief.

Did you steal? Yes? You're a thief. You may try to justify it, but you can not talk your way out of it. Taking without paying when you don't have permission is stealing.

sifres · Post by **sifres** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:50 am

Again your being presumtious. And you are calling me a thief over, and over, and over again.

Get this into your thick skull;

I BUY MY FUCKING MUSIC sonny. I HAVE FOR YEARS AND CONTINUE TO DO SO.

I HAVE ABOUT A TRUCKLOAD OF 12"

I HAVE A (WELL PAID) JOB

I PRODUCE AND HAVE RELEASED MUSIC IN THE PAST

So I have nothing I should be ashamed of. Nothing I need to make up excuses about. You arrogant fucktard.

You hold the same credibility as me in this discussion, making claims about poor artists? CD pressing plants? Pfff....

aftee · Post by **aftee** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:04 pm

I agee with Surface Tension 100%... Stealing is stealing and there is no justification for it. It's wrong. Some people may not have the finances that others do to even allow them to get music and what not. Whether or not you can afford it, it's still wrong to steal that from the original creator of it.

If you're in a position where you have no spare money whatsoever and you need to steal or do wrong to get by, that still doesn't make it right.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:28 pm

Sifres wrote:You hold the same credibility as me in this discussion

You are advocating stealing in the name of causing a paradigm shift in the way music is delivered. I am admitting I was wrong when I used to pirate music.

I'd say that gives me infinitely more credibility on the subject. I've also watched our sales numbers come in and watched us go from #1 on all the charts for these online shops to dropping off of the charts when our shit leaked to torrents, to returning immediately to the top of said charts when I hit that tracker with a cease and desist and had the torrent taken down.

I've watched what it does for our sales. Imagine that happening on the scale of millions instead of a few hundred downloads that it was.

I'm not being presumptuous. You are advocating stealing. You said it's not wrong yourself. You said that it's a good thing for music. As a label owner and a producer I'm telling you it's not. I see our numbers and I can look at those and graph our sales and see where dips in sales coincide with leaks to torrent trackers. It's not some shit I'm pulling out of my ass. We're not a major label. Maybe you are such a bigtime producer that a couple hundred downloads of your 12" release doesn't set you back. a couple hundred for our label is the difference between doing another release or being dropped from our distributor. It's not the difference between the Mercedes and the Lambo for me, it's the difference between beans and rice for dinner or nothing on hand to eat.

I'd say that gives me a world more credibility on the issue than you. Great, you are a producer... how many records have you released on your own label only to watch 20,000 downloads and 150 copies sold? Judging by your ignorance, I'd say you haven't released any.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about period. It takes 300 12" records being sold to break even. That is before being able to pay for the art(not included in the price), the cost of promotion, paying any sort of advance to the producer in question... most labels won't sell 200 of those 300. It can be a GREAT release and not sell 300 records. That's just the way it is so long as people think like you do.

Not jumping to conclusions my friend... coming to conclusions is more like it.

firky · Post by **firky** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:51 pm

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