Overall Which Do You Think Is Better..Dubstep Or D&B?

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:27 am

Mmm, I am not really a d&b head as such, so I wouldnt know of the above list except maybe Black Secret Technology, however, I put it to you..

Skream - Skream
Benga - Newstep/Diary's of an afro warrior
Dusk & Blackdown - Margins Music
Horsepower - In Fine Style
El-B - The Roots of El-b
Various Artist's - The roots of Dubstep
Boxcutter - Oneric/Glyphic
Various - The world has gone
Distance - My Demons/Repercussions
Scuba - A Mutial Antipathy (And the remixes)
Skull Disco - Soundbwoy Punishments/Soundboy's Gravestone get Desecrated by Vandals

Now I know some of the above are compilations, however I still think they hold relevance. Also, I would wonder how many of the above you think are put on, sit down and listen till the last track albums?

concept · Post by **concept** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:46 am

deamonds wrote:Mmm, I am not really a d&b head as such, so I wouldnt know of the above list except maybe Black Secret Technology, however, I put it to you..

Skream - Skream
Benga - Newstep/Diary's of an afro warrior
Dusk & Blackdown - Margins Music
Horsepower - In Fine Style
El-B - The Roots of El-b
Various Artist's - The roots of Dubstep
Boxcutter - Oneric/Glyphic
Various - The world has gone
Distance - My Demons/Repercussions
Scuba - A Mutial Antipathy (And the remixes)
Skull Disco - Soundbwoy Punishments/Soundboy's Gravestone get Desecrated by Vandals

Now I know some of the above are compilations, however I still think they hold relevance. Also, I would wonder how many of the above you think are put on, sit down and listen till the last track albums?

Give some of the one's I mentioned a go. You might be pleasantly surprised!

Maybe I wouldn't listen to every track that's perfectly true, but I'd listen to the majority of them. The same could be said of pretty much all the albums listed above too I feel.

The Boxcutter and Scuba albums are the standout one's there. Happily listen to those all the way through - the others I've got mixed opinions on. That Skull Disco one isn't really an album in the truest sense is it? (although there's not a duff release on the whole back catalogue!).

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:49 am

Yea Glyphic really is an amazing album...as is A.M.A

Which ones would you reccomend to a novice??

faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:50 am

15 years ago - DnB

Now - Dubstep.

I know. I know.

concept · Post by **concept** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:57 am

deamonds wrote:Yea Glyphic really is an amazing album...as is A.M.A

Which ones would you reccomend to a novice??

Torque

Gritty, dark, industrial soundscaping, with a twist of gangster hip-hop samples for good measure.

Photek - Modus Operandi

Movie score breakbeat science - cold and precise as a ninja.

Icons - Emotions With Intellect

Our good friend Code describes this one nicely:

"This is an amazing album which somehow failed to garner the same attention as projects by Goldie and LTJ Bukem around the same time. I believe much of this was actually produced in 1994 - I saw Fabio review "Salsa Flavour" in Atmosphere magazine that year, for instance and the tunes certainly have a 94 production feel to them. However, they are streets ahead of much contemporary Drum & Bass in terms of subtlety and execution.

The aforementioned "Salsa Flavour" is a real fusion between Salsa and Drum & Bass. All the Brazilian influenced D thats coming out now falls flat in comparison with this gem. The whole album is brillant though, dont pass it up if you see it 2nd hand! "

Goldie - Timeless

Does what is says on the tin.

Polar - Still Moving

Glacial beats (some downtempoy bits too)

alcane · Post by **alcane** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:07 am

Jungle/D&B kinda gave birth to Garage/Dubstep anyway. Much like if not for House (and disco before it) we wouldn't have what we listen to today.

I've been listening/DJing D&B for over 10 years now, also spin Dubstep. The former is definitely still my favourite genre of music, although I like the tempos to change up a bit these days. There is a lot of D&B these days that goes halfstep - check out some Amit, Digital & Outrage, SumOne for some examples.

Its the best of both worlds really

SumOne - Oblivion EP [Planet Mu]
http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/deck?track=ZIQ204

Amit - Never Ending LP [Commercial Suicide]
http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/de ... ICIDELP005

wooda916 · Post by **wooda916** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:21 pm

Amit is a don.

On the album thing, i dont feel dubstep or DnB is really an album centred genre. It works better as a series of singles and EP's in my opinion.

Having said that there are some sick albums in each genre but i dont think you can judge based on them.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:27 pm

Oh Concept

Martyn - Great Lengths
Silkie - City Limits..

there is 2 more 4 ya!

nattyphysicist · Post by **nattyphysicist** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:50 pm

Both terms are very broad, so broad that they overlap. Not necessarily in tempo, but I've definately heard tracks from one "genre" that sounded like the other.

It seems like a lot of people here are die hard junglists from time. That includes most of the producers. I know that Mala for one was a junglist before he started listening to reggae and his first home productions were jungle (RBMA interview). Then you have all the dnb producers that are making dubstep or dnb that's very dubstepper friendly. House is a feeling.

alcane · Post by **alcane** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:53 pm

I know of many great D&B albums:

Various - The Prototype Years [Prototype]
Ed Rush, Optical & Nico - Torque [No U-Turn]
Black Sun Empire - Driving Insane [BSE]
Telemetrik - My Lightyear [BSE]
Klute - The Emporer's New Clothes [Commercial Suicide]
Amit - Never Ending [Commercial Suicide]
Teebee - Through The Eyes Of The Scorpion [Certificate 18]
Polar -37 Degrees & Falling
Offkey Recordings - The Firm [Offkey]
Various - Plantinum Breaks [Metalheadz]
Various - Metal Box Set [Metalheadz]
Goldie - Timeless [FFFR]
Exile - Pro Agonist [Planet Mu]
Various - Enforcers: Deadly Chambers Of Sound [Reinforced]
Various - Quantum Mechnics [Renegade Hardware]
Various - V Classic [V Recordings]
Ed Rush & Optical - Wormhole [Virus]
Various - Welcome To Violence [Violence]
+ countless more...

Being relatively new to Dubstep (listened for a few years, only started spinning it this year) I can only think of my favourite LP:

Vex'd - Degenerate [Planet Mu]

Perhaps some of you can shed more light on good LPs...

moosed · Post by **moosed** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:01 pm

syhr wrote:98% of drum & bass is creatively dead. with the exception of a few producers it's just recycling what's been done before and being influenced by nothing but itself

same goes for an absolute shitload of dubstep...

in-fact same goes for most genres of music...

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:08 pm

deamonds wrote: Skream - Skream
Benga - Newstep/Diary's of an afro warrior
Dusk & Blackdown - Margins Music
Horsepower - In Fine Style
El-B - The Roots of El-b
Various Artist's - The roots of Dubstep
Boxcutter - Oneric/Glyphic
Various - The world has gone
Distance - My Demons/Repercussions
Scuba - A Mutial Antipathy (And the remixes)
Skull Disco - Soundbwoy Punishments/Soundboy's Gravestone get Desecrated by Vandals
Martyn - Great Lengths
2562 - Aerial
Silkie - City Limits (Unsure if this has dropped yet)
Zomby - Where were you in 92? (not strictly dubstep though)
Neil Landstrumm - Lord for £39 (so underrated)
MRK 1 - Copyright Laws
iTAL tEK - cYCLiCAL
Falty DL - Love is a liabilty
Milanese - Lockout
Kode 9 & The Spaceape - Memories of the future
Burial - Untrue/Burial

there must be more, im sure of it

fonik · Post by **fonik** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:30 pm

for the sheer historical significance and the amount of music released, its d&b hands down (plus im a junglist at heart really)

however, i freely admit that dubstep is far more inventive and interesting at the mo

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:56 pm

alcane wrote:I know of many great D&B albums:

Various - The Prototype Years [Prototype]
Ed Rush, Optical & Nico - Torque [No U-Turn]
Black Sun Empire - Driving Insane [BSE]
Telemetrik - My Lightyear [BSE]
Klute - The Emporer's New Clothes [Commercial Suicide]
Amit - Never Ending [Commercial Suicide]
Teebee - Through The Eyes Of The Scorpion [Certificate 18]
Polar -37 Degrees & Falling
Offkey Recordings - The Firm [Offkey]
Various - Plantinum Breaks [Metalheadz]
Various - Metal Box Set [Metalheadz]
Goldie - Timeless [FFFR]
Exile - Pro Agonist [Planet Mu]
Various - Enforcers: Deadly Chambers Of Sound [Reinforced]
Various - Quantum Mechnics [Renegade Hardware]
Various - V Classic [V Recordings]
Ed Rush & Optical - Wormhole [Virus]
Various - Welcome To Violence [Violence]
+ countless more...

Being relatively new to Dubstep (listened for a few years, only started spinning it this year) I can only think of my favourite LP:

Vex'd - Degenerate [Planet Mu]

Perhaps some of you can shed more light on good LPs...

Some great compilations there. Label ompilations are where the genre really came into it's own.

You didn't mention the original 'Drum & Bass Selection 1' though. I've listened to that about once a month for the last fifteen years!

alcane · Post by **alcane** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:00 pm

Uncle Bill wrote:You didn't mention the original 'Drum & Bass Selection 1' though. I've listened to that about once a month for the last fifteen years!

Not heard that one, got 'Drum & Bass Selection 2' though, which is also quality

In the past couple of years I've really tried to encompass varies elements into my D&B sets. I usually lean towards the darker end of the spectrum, as well as incorporating tempo changes to spice things ups.

If you check out my latest mix from June this year, you'll see what I mean...

ALCANE - JUNE 2009 TRACKLIST
1. Amit - I'll Hunt You
2. Raiden & Propaganda - Poltergeist
3. Cause 4 Concern - World Unknown
4. Stakka, Skynet & Friction - Altitude (Fierce & Ryme Tyme remix)
5. D-Bridge - Pipe Dreams
6. Total Science - Moving Target
7. Rufige Kru - Fear Heaven
8. Nasty Habits - Spacefunk (Special Forces remix)
9. Current Value - Wulf
10. Spirit - Ray Gun
11. Rawthang - Dreadnaught
12. Process - Rickshaw
13. Temper D - Minimise This
14. Raiden - Pinball
15. Dillinja - Hard Noize
16. Evol Intent - Horns 'N Halos (Ewun remix)
17. The Sect - Into The Abyss
18. Monsta & Mr Key - Space Raiders (Dean Rodell remix)
19. Amit - Unholy
20. Ed Rush & Optical - Watermelon
21. Masheen - Essence Of Life
22. The Sect - Mayday
23. Audio - Error
24. Teebee - Deceive
25. Kemal - Plan B
26. Masheen - Trash Bath
27. Audio - Exposed
28. Panacea - Calcifer
29. Raiden & The Sect - Leffe
30. Total Science - Sophisticated Bitch

DOWNLOAD (67:04 / 320kbps / 153mb)

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:23 pm

deamonds wrote:
deamonds wrote: Skream - Skream
Benga - Newstep/Diary's of an afro warrior
Dusk & Blackdown - Margins Music
Horsepower - In Fine Style
El-B - The Roots of El-b
Various Artist's - The roots of Dubstep
Boxcutter - Oneric/Glyphic
Various - The world has gone
Distance - My Demons/Repercussions
Scuba - A Mutial Antipathy (And the remixes)
Skull Disco - Soundbwoy Punishments/Soundboy's Gravestone get Desecrated by Vandals
Martyn - Great Lengths
2562 - Aerial
Silkie - City Limits (Unsure if this has dropped yet)
Zomby - Where were you in 92? (not strictly dubstep though)
Neil Landstrumm - Lord for £39 (so underrated)
MRK 1 - Copyright Laws
iTAL tEK - cYCLiCAL
Falty DL - Love is a liabilty
Milanese - Lockout
Kode 9 & The Spaceape - Memories of the future
Burial - Untrue/Burial
there must be more, im sure of it

Shackleton / Mordant Music - Picking O'er The Bones
Headhunter - Nomad
Boxcutter - Arecibo Message
Disrupt - Foundation Bit / The Bass Has Left The Building

Just a few more

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thinking · Post by **thinking** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:29 pm

this is a completely absurd thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

rawali · Post by **rawali** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:24 pm

pk- wrote:yeah "jungle" and "drum n bass" aren't interchangeable terms, maybe they are in america..

dont think so

Montrealers reffer to jungle as sample based (amen or otherwise) music, often relating to soundsystem culture, often relating to ragga and genereally warmer sound as opposed to dnb with its programmed drums and generally crisper sound... can't really find a very clear way to explain what I mean but I think you guy's will get the picture

most ex-Toronto heads I know who moved out here will have a similar definition of the whole jungle vs. dnb... same for the Halifax crew... not to sure about the van-city people though... as for the states I havnt got a clue. But it'd be pretty interesting to find out seing how alot of genre definitions seem to vary from city to city

As for myself, I like most jungle but am quite selective when it comes to dnb... I just cannot stand liquid funk... But all in all, I am more of a fan of dubstep than dnb or jungle

Shae · Post by **Shae** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:30 pm

ThinKing wrote:this is a completely absurd thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

End of discussion?

executive steve · Post by **executive steve** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:51 pm

J-sh wrote:Jungle and dnb are not the same
you sir are mistaken

No, you are mistaken.

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