ok.. why the hate?

[Sharmaji]

The whole Americans ruin ________ thing is retarded.

fuck that. we ruined monarchy-- knocked it dead!

[hera]

Dubstep in California is an abomination tbh.

I wasn't referring to California-based producers so much, more what the nights are like (some of the worst I've come across: very few decent clubs, closed minded crowds etc).

lol

edit- dubstee, just curious where else in the country you've attended dubstep events?

[Mr. Mittens]

big up rusko!!

big up dmz!!

big up USA!!

big up UK!!

big up worldwide!!

big up teenagers!

big up all frequency!

big up UNDERGROUND U.S. producers!!

YA'LL DUN KNOW!

[dubstee]

Dubstep in California is an abomination tbh.

I wasn't referring to California-based producers so much, more what the nights are like (some of the worst I've come across: very few decent clubs, closed minded crowds etc).

lol

edit- dubstee, just curious where else in the country you've attended dubstep events?

All over, with the notable exception of Miami.

TBH the club scene generally in America seems to be getting a bad press across the board at the moment. Apparently there is an underground house thing beginning to come up again, but compared to the 80s - mid 90s it's pretty dead all over it seems (this is what I've been told rather than my own experience btw).

[dj dm]

jst glad 2 c dubstep spreading think its wicked that pple r gettin into it all over the world
Bless - worldwide

[hera]

Dubstep in California is an abomination tbh.

I wasn't referring to California-based producers so much, more what the nights are like (some of the worst I've come across: very few decent clubs, closed minded crowds etc).

lol

edit- dubstee, just curious where else in the country you've attended dubstep events?

All over, with the notable exception of Miami.

TBH the club scene generally in America seems to be getting a bad press across the board at the moment. Apparently there is an underground house thing beginning to come up again, but compared to the 80s - mid 90s it's pretty dead all over it seems (this is what I've been told rather than my own experience btw).

so where did you say you've attended other dubstep events?

[Tangka]

@ dubstee -

so I'm curious about what shows you're attending then.

And if you only like Jus Wan's music I'm really suprised you're not into Djunya or DJG.

But yes... I would like to know promoters and what type of shows you're going to out here.. if it's Norcal or SoCal. The dubstep scene here isn't nearly as large (populationwise) as it is in say... London for example, but we strive to pull solid talent and have a shitload of local talent to choose from to support the out of town headliners.

I'm just trying to see how you call our scene an abomination. You've definitely not been specific enough except for explaining that it's not about the producers at this point.

I throw a show on a regular basis so I would like to get feedback from you as to what's wrong w/ the CA dubstep scene.

I have attended various shows in LA and San Fran over the last 3 years. The problem with America generally is that at parties people are VERY much into the big drop, wobble, moshing etc aspect of the music, and in my experience LA and San Fran are the worst in the country for that. Seems like the vast majority of people there come from a rave background rather than clubs, which lends itself to that kind of thing I guess. And it's not to do with the size of the scene, it's what the parties are like. Plus there seems to be a nasty side to the politics over there, lots of people slagging each other off behind their back etc - noticed that quite a lot. Whenever I've been there the scene has just struck me as being quite unhealthy generally. It must be difficult from a promoters perspective because it's obviously hard when there are so few good clubs (and the few good ones are very hard to get I imagine) and the crowd is so single minded.

I know there's a lot of producers and some have been quite successful but IMO there's not much interesting music being made there. Jus Wan has got a lot of potential, not sure why you'd compare him to Djunya and DJG though.

i've mentioned this around here a few times

there seems to be no room for anything outside of a narrow wobblefest bracket here in SF. and i definitely catch weird vibes from a lot of the heads out here as well, almost like some sort of bohemian club lol.

this isn't to say that i don't have complete respect for whatever people want to do but i feel locked out and I can't relate.

as a producer myself, it's massively unsupportive.

doesn't necessarily make it abominable, just the way it is. if there are only a handful of people out here that are into what I am then I'm just fucked aren't I but I sure have a right to be pissed about it - but not a right to whine about it

don't know what's going on down LA

and to the OP: those people are just wingnuts. yeah, detroit, chicago, new york, ruined electronic music right? if they can't perceive value in anything outside of their little circle that's their loss.

[drum syndicate]

I have attended various shows in LA and San Fran over the last 3 years. The problem with America generally is that at parties people are VERY much into the big drop, wobble, moshing etc aspect of the music, and in my experience LA and San Fran are the worst in the country for that. Seems like the vast majority of people there come from a rave background rather than clubs, which lends itself to that kind of thing I guess. And it's not to do with the size of the scene, it's what the parties are like. Plus there seems to be a nasty side to the politics over there, lots of people slagging each other off behind their back etc - noticed that quite a lot. Whenever I've been there the scene has just struck me as being quite unhealthy generally. It must be difficult from a promoters perspective because it's obviously hard when there are so few good clubs (and the few good ones are very hard to get I imagine) and the crowd is so single minded.

I know there's a lot of producers and some have been quite successful but IMO there's not much interesting music being made there. Jus Wan has got a lot of potential, not sure why you'd compare him to Djunya and DJG though.

I don't know much about the LA dubstep scene because I've never participated in it in any way, but I have seen a number of shows up here. You're right in the fact that a lot of the crowd does come from the rave scene.. and they do like a more energetic sound in some aspects. This isn't the whole scene here.

And yes I do agree that the politicking is really bad here. A lot of people converted over from the DnB scene a number of years ago, and the local DnB scene was plagued with a very elitist attitude full of politics which has transcended over. I used to get hated on because I got rave gigs and a lot of other people didn't, but I also came up 100% in the rave scene playing music. I still get limited club shows, and lots more rave gigs.. and I feel I get looked at negatively for that also.

There's a lot of dissension here amongst the ranks and I dislike it. Some people have egos that get way ahead of them when they haven't necessarily done much to 'push things forward' instead of just create their own niche that works for them. Some of these people are stepping things up now which I'm happy to see, but again.. we come from different backgrounds than what a lot of other folks in the dubstep 'scene' seem to come from overseas. You guys are blessed with larger clubs and a more tolerant public to the sounds so it's easier to do shows like you have (from my perspective).

And as for the DJG/Djunya/Jus Wan comparison.... they tend to create some similar sounds from my experience. I've booked all of them to play for me in the past and will book all of them to play for me again. And those 3 are normally the farthest thing from dropping the wobblefest stuff that you seem to dislike. Granted they use a few tunes here and there.. but I dont think I've seen any of them pull out a Rusko tune or anything like that haha.

[q23]

The whole Americans ruin ________ thing is retarded.

fuck that. we ruined monarchy-- knocked it dead!

Boston Dubstep Tea Party, all up in here!!!!

[stenchman]

to me trolley snatcha, cookie monsta and stenchman bear absolutely no relationship whatsoever to what i originally liked about dubstep

NONE WHATSOEVER - it might as well be a totally different genre of music

to me, you bear no relationship whatsoever to a person whos views i give a toss about

[grime suspect]

to me trolley snatcha, cookie monsta and stenchman bear absolutely no relationship whatsoever to what i originally liked about dubstep

NONE WHATSOEVER - it might as well be a totally different genre of music

to me, you bear no relationship whatsoever to a person whos views i give a toss about

lol

[grime suspect]

to me trolley snatcha, cookie monsta and stenchman bear absolutely no relationship whatsoever to what i originally liked about dubstep

NONE WHATSOEVER - it might as well be a totally different genre of music

to me, you bear no relationship whatsoever to a person whos views i give a toss about

lol

double guess im still laughing

[jolly wailer]

jst glad 2 c dubstep spreading think its wicked that pple r gettin into it all over the world
Bless - worldwide

THIS

[starkey]

i'm naming the genres........ so u can say i did it. cuz we all need this.


1. Old Skool Dubstep (note the spelling... this is important)

2. Wobblefest (used previously in this thread... and i'm stealing it. plus it looks better than Wobblestep.)

3. Much Deeper Than Old Skool Dubstep

4. Step x4 (not funky... but for the stuff that goes into that 4x4 realm and is very much influenced by house and techno.)

5. Menace Dub Melt Annihilation aka MDMA (complete screwface...... much harder than Wobblefest.)

6. Other 140-ish tunes that bare some sort of resemblance to the before-mentioned genres.

[starkey]

i forgot to add that i've already e-mailed MySpace asking them to add these formally recognized genres to the genre pull-down menu for artist pages.

[starkey]

i forgot to add that i've already e-mailed MySpace asking them to add these formally recognized genres to the genre pull-down menu for artist pages.

[_boring]

i forgot to add that i've already e-mailed MySpace asking them to add these formally recognized genres to the genre pull-down menu for artist pages.

nah u did add that

[deadly_habit]

i make midrange cack not wobblefest

[Tangka]

a good neighbor builds a good fence

[seckle]

lets have another 25 pager about UK vs USA, because we've never discussed that before. i'm pumped. awesome.