Sub-bass in after bounce?

[odiecreversed]

Got two questions, and if someone could enlighten me I'd be grateful.

1. Is there a preference of when to put your sub-bass in? I mean, when you guys are making your main bass, do you bounce it out and then put your sub-bass in afterwards? or do you bounce the bass and sub-bass as one chunk? Does it matter?

2. Sometimes I find my main bass has pretty low frequencies and fully intrudes into the sub bass area. Do I really need a sub-bass in that situation? or should I cut the sub frequencies out and actually add a sub-bass? I ask this question with regard to playing the track on a big sound system.


Cheers

[Littlefoot]

Got two questions, and if someone could enlighten me I'd be grateful.

1. Is there a preference of when to put your sub-bass in? I mean, when you guys are making your main bass, do you bounce it out and then put your sub-bass in afterwards? or do you bounce the bass and sub-bass as one chunk? Does it matter?

2. Sometimes I find my main bass has pretty low frequencies and fully intrudes into the sub bass area. Do I really need a sub-bass in that situation? or should I cut the sub frequencies out and actually add a sub-bass? I ask this question with regard to playing the track on a big sound system.


Cheers

In scenario 2 try this:

Original bass sound, low cut where the sub bass begins to sound obvious, depending on your instrument it will be somewhere around 90-100hz

then mix the sub bass in alongside it so that is sounds like an extention of the original sound.

THE buss these together

and do ALL your processing POST the bus stage.

with the crossover point natural and compression set correctly, the two sounds will appear as one in the time domain, but appear as two layers in the frequency domain

[odiecreversed]

Thanks a lot man, I'll give that a go!

Anyone for the first question?

[frizzwah]

You will die soon, do whatever you want.

deep

THE buss these together

and do ALL your processing POST the bus stage.

never really thought to do this, will have a bash tomorrow, hopefully my tunes will sound more "glued together"

also sorry for the partial thread hijak, but does bussing all the drum tracks together help achieve a more glued together sound too?

[morro_e]

whats a bus and how to put it?

[grooki]

whats a bus and how to put it?

maybe on your DAW it's called an FX channel.
you have your instrument/sample. You hook it up to a bus/fx slot and then you can use things like eq and reverb.
What you can do is have your sub and the mid range going to two different slots, process them differently, and then recombine them by directing both of their outputs to the same SEND slot. Here you can do further processing (like compression for instance). From there it will get sent to the master bus, the final bus through which all all sounds pass through, regardless of whether they are connected to any other busses first or not.
So if you put an effect of the master bus e.g. reverb, everything in your project will have reverb on it.

At the OP, I usually have a seperate channel for mids and for sub. This way you have more control, and if skillfully done it will sound unified.
One way to do this is:
- I make my mid range bass including the sound design itself and the melody. I won't take the sub frequencies out here
- then when pretty happy with what I've got I CLONE the midrange bass channel. I then allocate that channel to its own Fx Bus. Then I go into the synth (if i've used a sythn) and turn off all the other oscillators except for one. This one I change the change the wave form to sin. Then you should have a replica of the mid range bass but sub only. Good to do it this way because you preserve all the ASDR envelopes and so hopefully the sub is well intergrated.
-using a LAYER channel helps here, then you can play notes on the layer channel and get the full sound instead of having to copy the midi info to two channels.

Another (simpler?) way to do this would be to be able to send the output of one synth to two or more fx buses. Anyone know how to do this in FL8?

[Sharmaji]

^ disable its output, and then send it to 2 different busses (pre-fader if you can, at full volume).

1 buss use eq to make yr bass, 1 buss use eq to make your mids. be wary of buildup at the crossover point.

et voila!

[grooki]

^ disable its output, and then send it to 2 different busses (pre-fader if you can, at full volume).

1 buss use eq to make yr bass, 1 buss use eq to make your mids. be wary of buildup at the crossover point.

et voila!

how do you do this in FL? Each synth can only send to one fx bus as far as I can tell

[Jah Billah]

You can do anything you want to with your bass.

Deeper.

[odiecreversed]

Thanks for answering my questions and the other info posted was good too. Yeah.

[grooki]

Have posted this 3 times on this board:

Send vst to mix channel. Disable output to master by clicking the orange arrow on the master when the vst's channel is selected. While vst's channel is selected, click the little grey arrow at the bottom of an empty mixer channel. It will turn orange when you activate it. You can send a channel to any number of other channels.

You can then send all those channels back into a buss return if you want to comp the whole thing, or eq, or verb or grossbeat!

You would do this by disabling all of the send (not the channels called 'send') channels output to master, and sending them all to a single mixer channel.

thanks mate, this will be seriously useful

[morro_e]

thanx for the answer!

[deadly_habit]

resample your mids and highs subs leave alone for the most part and layer and group buss compress to geol