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abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:16 pm

Well I already said I switched from Reason to Ableton. Yes I was using 4 before I switched if it really matters. Does anyone read the posts?

I think Reason is good for samples, that is practically all I did with it considering the synths are slightly below par. If you mean how it handles audio, yeah since it doesn't have audio lanes at all. Ableton is a dream come true if you are looking to work with acapellas and or long sections of audio.

notch · Post by **notch** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:22 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:you could always just rewire reason into ableton

why tax your processor using an inferior program when you have the best daw out there? Just pull away from the nipple and use Ableton ALONE..

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:44 pm

notch wrote:
hurlingdervish wrote:you could always just rewire reason into ableton
why tax your processor using an inferior program when you have the best daw out there? Just pull away from the nipple and use Ableton ALONE..

lol i agree

but then again some people love them multisamples

karmacazee · Post by **karmacazee** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:57 pm

Drum racks.

Crazy audio/MIDI routing.

Intuitive workflow. You want a VST with a complex chain of effects? Just drag and drop, baby.

Two screens, and most of the time everything you need is righ there in front of you.

I'm very, very fond of Ableton's Sampler.

When it crahes it autosaves everything and is easily recalled.

MIDI mapping is a walk in the park.

Audio time-stretching sounds great!

Warping.

External hardware is laughably easy to set up.

You can use it live.

Most of the effects are top notch.

Shit, why haven't I upgraded to 8 yet?

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:19 pm

Karmacazee wrote:Drum racks.

Crazy audio/MIDI routing.

Intuitive workflow. You want a VST with a complex chain of effects? Just drag and drop, baby.

Two screens, and most of the time everything you need is righ there in front of you.

I'm very, very fond of Ableton's Sampler.

When it crahes it autosaves everything and is easily recalled.

MIDI mapping is a walk in the park.

Audio time-stretching sounds great!

Warping.

External hardware is laughably easy to set up.

You can use it live.

Most of the effects are top notch.

Shit, why haven't I upgraded to 8 yet?

I agree with all of this. When you upgrade to 8 you will probably be picking out a few choice words for Live over the new warping system. You will get used to it though.

yellowhighlighter · Post by **yellowhighlighter** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:32 am

ok warping? what is this? is this just the time stretching feature in ableton?

drum racks? is that like a drum machine?

intuitive workflow is all really just personal preference.

i personally don't really care that much about integration with external hardware, being able to use it live or how it handles samples.

not trying to bash ableton but when i hear all the people raving about it, it's usually in the dance scene where a lot of acts are working with samples and are using this program in a live situation. in some other scenes where the emphasis is more on composition i don't hear ableton put on the pedestal that it is put on here.

as i understand it the main attraction is the way that samples can be manipulated and the way the program handles in a live situation?

contakt321 · Post by **contakt321** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:55 am

I have never performed live with Live and I am still in awe of it's amazingness.

Also, I rarely use samples, save for drums.

ruckus49 · Post by **ruckus49** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:27 am

cant you only have one vst folder? that really turned me off from it

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:47 am

ruckus49 wrote:cant you only have one vst folder? that really turned me off from it

Why would you need more?

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:42 am

Johnny Beat wrote:
ruckus49 wrote:cant you only have one vst folder? that really turned me off from it
Why would you need more?

personally pref i have mine setup so just all distortion one folder all compression sep folder etc so quick to find in cubase

ogunslinger · Post by **ogunslinger** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:24 am

I just recently switched from fl studio to ableton

All I miss from FL Studio is the piano roll and the mixer.

wish there was a way to use the piano roll in fl studio in ableton :[

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:10 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
Johnny Beat wrote:
ruckus49 wrote:cant you only have one vst folder? that really turned me off from it
Why would you need more?
personally pref i have mine setup so just all distortion one folder all compression sep folder etc so quick to find in cubase

Well, yeah, so do I:

And I don't see how Live can not handle this

notch · Post by **notch** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:53 pm

ogunslinger wrote:I just recently switched from fl studio to ableton

All I miss from FL Studio is the piano roll and the mixer.

wish there was a way to use the piano roll in fl studio in ableton :[

I guess you need to figure out how to use piano roll in ableton then my friend..

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:58 pm

not blown away by the arrange window in ableton-- but that's just cuz it's a conventional way of working as a DAW.

the session view is ableton's real strength--- who said clips have to be samples? they can be audio clips of your own rendered material, midi info, dummy clips for automation, they can contain follow-bits to force changes in parameters...

in truth there's nothing else out there like that. really, really great way to get yourself to think outside of the box.

86. · Post by **86.** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:24 pm

Coming from ACID it took me about 3 hours to understand Ableton.

In the past I've also dealt with Logic/Cubase.

The one aspect of it that I don't deal with at all is using clips in session view...maybe that's more for playing out live (?), I don't see the purpose of it for writing beats at home.

Somebody said it's not designed like other programs. I found this to be true. I find that what I would do in 2-4 steps in another program, I do in 1 step in Ableton, maybe that's what trips people out at first.

Also, 98% of the time I don't deal with midi. Straight audio. That's what I like about it as opposed to say Logic, which (when I was using it) which leaned more to midi. I don't know about Logic 8 and all that. If one is a midi type I can see how it would piss them off.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:24 pm

TeReKeTe wrote: in truth there's nothing else out there like that. really, really great way to get yourself to think outside of the box.

true that. do you have any ableton live sets terekete? i would be interested to hear what you've done with it

even if all you have is 16 clips to fire off from a trigger finger, you can still do a shitload with it.

session view is one big "drum" machine. but if you don't have the energy to work there you'll end up droning on a loop, so stay alive...stay alive...

@yellowhighlighter, no one is going to be able to fully explain in text why its awesome, so just watch some videos of people producing on it. go to ableton.com and watch videos of all their instruments and features...thats what got me originally

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:26 pm

86 Position wrote:
The one aspect of it that I don't deal with at all is using clips in session view...maybe that's more for playing out live (?), I don't see the purpose of it for writing beats at home.

its so you can improvise over loops and quickly make new clips

you can make a song in 15 minutes in session view if you are a good keyboard player or pad player

play out a midi sequence, duplicate and overdub within seconds all while the beats still playing. it lets you keep the vibe of the song and energy level that gets lost sometimes with standard daws

contakt321 · Post by **contakt321** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:08 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:
86 Position wrote:
The one aspect of it that I don't deal with at all is using clips in session view...maybe that's more for playing out live (?), I don't see the purpose of it for writing beats at home.

its so you can improvise over loops and quickly make new clips

you can make a song in 15 minutes in session view if you are a good keyboard player or pad player

play out a midi sequence, duplicate and overdub within seconds all while the beats still playing. it lets you keep the vibe of the song and energy level that gets lost sometimes with standard daws

This is how I work.

I create a drum loop in session view, then I create variations. Create a bassline, then create variations, etc, etc. For me it's a great way to experiment and try out multiple takes quickly.

Then at the end I lay it out in Arrange and bounce.

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