pressing plants melting down old vinyl?

setspeed · Post by **setspeed** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:28 am

i heard something about pressing plants melting down old records to make new ones. do they accept records?

lets just say i had several thousand (identical) old 12"s knocking around, would i be able to take them somewhere useful?

wat · Post by **wat** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:16 am

yeah same here.. i'm thinking about melting my DMZ collection

wibblewobble · Post by **wibblewobble** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:20 am

Wat wrote:yeah same here.. i'm thinking about melting my DMZ collection

I hope that is some sort of sick joke!

hanuman · Post by **hanuman** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:23 am

Wat wrote:yeah same here.. i'm thinking about melting my DMZ collection

Can I borrow them first. I know someone who does clay pigeon shooting...

wat · Post by **wat** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:24 am

wibblewobble wrote:
Wat wrote:yeah same here.. i'm thinking about melting my DMZ collection
I hope that is some sort of sick joke!

Why? I mean.. I'd probably get some money for it from the pressing plant if they're seeking some old vinyl..

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:44 am

I think they can be recycled - the vinyl gets ground up into pellets and added to the fresh raw material that's melted & fed into the press - up to a max of about 10% or something??

so when you see 'Virgin Vinyl' on a new 12" (e.g. most new Ninja releases) it means the record has no recycled material in it - some people think this guarantees a better sound.

Could be wrong though!!

nellon · Post by **nellon** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:48 am

Wat wrote:yeah same here.. i'm thinking about melting my DMZ collection

Been there, they only gave a few quid.

dubloke · Post by **dubloke** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:43 pm

wibblewobble wrote:
Wat wrote:yeah same here.. i'm thinking about melting my DMZ collection
I hope that is some sort of sick joke!

nah, he's being deadly serious

Shift Recordings · Post by **Shift Recordings** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:50 pm

ThinKing wrote:I think they can be recycled - the vinyl gets ground up into pellets and added to the fresh raw material that's melted & fed into the press - up to a max of about 10% or something??

so when you see 'Virgin Vinyl' on a new 12" (e.g. most new Ninja releases) it means the record has no recycled material in it - some people think this guarantees a better sound.

Could be wrong though!!

this.

notch · Post by **notch** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:02 pm

Maybe you figured out the reason for all the bad pressings lately

swomp · Post by **swomp** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:12 pm

I'm not an expert, but I've heard that good quality vinyl should have recycled vinyl in it...

kate_ · Post by **kate_** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:42 pm

ThinKing wrote:I think they can be recycled - the vinyl gets ground up into pellets and added to the fresh raw material that's melted & fed into the press - up to a max of about 10% or something??

Sorta like remixing. Well, definitely remixing. Do you think the technician doing this tells chicks he does remixes and produces records? I would.

bassbeyondreason · Post by **bassbeyondreason** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:14 pm

This is apparently the reason why a lot of old Jamaican and Turkish records are incredibly rare/valuable.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:29 pm

the dude stamping records at the plant is a waaay bigger pimp than the man producing em..

that is, unless a woman is doing it

Whistla · Post by **Whistla** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:02 pm

yeh i'd like to know if theres any place taking what setspeed says, a few thousand vinyls.
the amount of money you get for em aint too important, as long as its summin. Its more a matter of generating space!

danny bwoy · Post by **danny bwoy** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:39 pm

i know by chance that Rand Muzik over here in Germany do this. a mate of mine used to work there and told me they bought shitloads of unsold stock from east-european warehouses - weird old russian black sabbath pressings and such.

dubout · Post by **dubout** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:39 am

swamp wrote:I'm not an expert, but I've heard that good quality vinyl should have recycled vinyl in it...

I heard that too. On the other hand, like ThinKing says, Ninja Tune wouldn't advertise it on their sleeves. Does someone know?

saxe · Post by **saxe** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:14 am

obviously the purists say virgin vinyl is the only thing to use:

http://www.vinylrevinyl.com/2008/08/27/ ... gin-vinyl/

i spoke to a guy from rand muzik who told me you can recycle vinyl 4-5 times before the molecules get too broke to use them again.

there´s different qualities in recycled AND virgin vinyl though. depends on purity (impurities come from the amount of stone dust in the vinyl, raises the floor noise of the record and thereby lowers the signal-to-noise-ratio of the record).

remember all the bad philips pressings back in the early 80s? was probably due to the oil crisis.

you can sort of "judge" the quality of a pressing by holding a record against the light in a certain angle. ig you see a rainbow of colours on the surface the pressing (in fact, the qualitiy of the edge of the groove - groove meaning those narrow channels on the record)is not so good indeed.

compare a 180g ninja to some average 120g pressing - you´ll see the difference.

imo, and the rand muzik guy agreed, vinyl quality nowadays is much worse than it was back in the days.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:25 am

bassbeyondreason wrote:This is apparently the reason why a lot of old Jamaican and Turkish records are incredibly rare/valuable.

this exactly. some of the 7" reggae tunes from the late 70's and early 80's, have versions that don't have metal work or stampers or anything left of the original material. unique recordings! no masters left, only 7's.
this is also the reason that all the big record companies, after the success of Marley, sent their A&R people into kingston to try and buy up all the old 2 track master reels for all these recordings. Island records holds an enormous reggae archive of classics, especially the time when ska and reggae were mixing it up together.

coxsone sound or tuff gong fro example, would do a run of 7"s, try and sell them, and the tunes that didn't sell out, would be taken back from the stores and melted to make the next release of 7"s. this has created the 7" collecting craze of the last few years via ebay. I'm bidding against all sorts of bidders from europe to Japan on some of the old 7"s. it's fierce competition sometimes. especially for studio one/trojan/coxsone/clinch/love or any of the other labels.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:30 am

here's the best documentary about jamaican 7" vinyl. you can see them pour recycled vinyl pellets into the machine at one point. at 3mins in..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-ZfTtJA7I

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