this chainsaw sound in hundreds of tunes right now...

[deamonds]

Really & truely aswell, alot of the (chainsaw) stuff that drops now, exploded on people who "knew" like what? a year or two ago?, (the said people then carried on there exploration for the new, exciting & original) give it a year and a bit whistla & I bet peeps are like, fck wobzla i want some more future garage and then there will be about fourty eight future garage imitations coming out a week. (theory)

Although people being late isnt really the discussion here I suppose, its more a personal taste, as the music is freely availible now. Think its more a case of bandwagon jumping alot of the time..but who am I to say that?, it's peoples taste really.

[Whistla]

tbh it was devlopment of the chainsaw that led me away from "this" straight away (ie Merkaba released 07 as a kind of reaction to that).
i can fortell 2 diff futures for what im doing now, lol. one positive and one negative haha all depends on the post dnb-dubstep fallout i guess which is why these discussions enthrall me

[the acid never lies]

Really & truely aswell, alot of the (chainsaw) stuff that drops now, exploded on people who "knew" like what? a year or two ago?, (the said people then carried on there exploration for the new, exciting & original) give it a year and a bit whistla & I bet peeps are like, fck wobzla i want some more future garage and then there will be about fourty eight future garage imitations coming out a week. (theory)

Although people being late isnt really the discussion here I suppose, its more a personal taste, as the music is freely availible now. Think its more a case of bandwagon jumping alot of the time..but who am I to say that?, it's peoples taste really.

Being a latecomer myself, I'd say that being aware of the scene from day is largely irrelevant - I only started following dubstep closely since mid 2008 or so and crossed over from listening almost exclusively to electro and breaks - my introduction was through listening to things like Tayo's Fabric mix.

[ottolag]

i think examples of these 'hundreds' of tunes are needed...

[threnody]

the vast majority of peeps out there they need to do summin to get noticed and played, the easiest way for them to do that is to build sum chainsaw and get a small following of chainsaw lovers

thing is though, as we've all witnessed here many many times, its got little to do with where/who/how you know people. good music gets through. look at so many examples of this, from matty g, truth, vaccine, goth trad, l wiz, clouds, etc etc. its not geographic or socially related. its about unique creative vision and persistence. good music always gets through. sure, friendships help things, but its about sound first and foremost.

i would argue that the ones you mention were "picked up" and promoted by the big boys:

Matty G - Picked up by Loefah
Truth - by Mala
Vaccine - Paul Rose
Goth Trad - Mala
L-Wiz - Caspa
Clouds - Mala

These guys and girl would have found it ten times harder without these connections. And if you dont have the ability to get your tunes to these guys, or if they dont wanna play your stuff? (or more likely just dont have the time to listen to the 100plus dubs coming thru there myspace) Well then you need to get plays from all the other djs, who are all looking for exclusive dubs, and the best way to do that is.....

Who you know is just as important as what you make. Whether we like it or not.

i see your points man, and i agree with most, but what you make is so much more important than everything else.
otherwise, what got us hooked on this thing so many years ago? it wasn't just friends and beers...it was sound.

yeh man i agree, but i would argue that what got us into this has pretty much left now.
I mean i used to wait for S&D to start playing when i was @ a night. That NEVER happens now. Not even with people who could be said to be keeping that spirit alive, like Threnody, Stormfield, Urban Collective etc....
The split has happened, and now we all need to readjust to the new dynamic:

Dubstep = Half-Step (usually with big wobbles and chainsaw bass)

Everything else that used to fall into Dubstep now = No-Name Music

A good example of this is from another forum i read (UKG) where the Skream La Roux remix none of them knew what style it was. I said its dubstep, but then they were like nah mate dubstep is like dnb slowed down, all midrange bass and stuff. This is from people being 100% serious who play @ your average joe clubs. They are simply saying the general consensus, which is one as real dubstep fans we find hard to swallow. But its true.
Once the world thinks that something is something, then it pretty much is.

I think you have uncovered a key point here about sounds getting lost in transition....back in the day when we were waiting for S&D to come on the decks things were substantially smaller to the point where maybe pairs of producers (plastic & MRK1, Skream & Benga, DMZ collective) were pushing one flava whilst others (Kode9, S&D, VEX'd, Scuba) were pushing their own agendas and as a result things were very diverse....As things grew the new influx of producers (and i'm still talking back in 06/07) took influence from one or two of these and certain trends began to emerge, halfstep being the predominant one...Asthe next new influx of producers came in this then got exhasperated as halfstep was viewed as the central sound in dubstep (before that it was ragga samples).... this chainsaw bass (post spongebob) has now influenced the next influx of producers but now things have grown so much that the post 07 producers far outweigh those that were there when things were fragmented.....as a result certain trends have been followed through tothe point where so many peoplemake them that they are seen as characterising the dubstep sound and outsiders immediatly think of this sound when the word dubstep is banded about.....

There used to be a time when people asked you what type of music you liked and you had to start explaining about what dubstep was....now you have to backtrack and try and explain what it isn't!

As for the whole breaks side of things (which Urban Collective have been at the top of since those days we waited to see S&D!)...Ihave no doubts that it's time will come...probably when a big name sticks a break under something and all the chavs, geeks and students shriek excitedly at this unique new sound that has been created....then everyone will stick a dr rex loop under their chainsaws, wobbles, and ragga samples and we will be talking about how rinsed out breaks are (just like happened with the amen in dnb).

For me i will continue to play the no name music and leave the rest of it to,

1. kids with their hoods up on buses with a chainsaw playing out their mobile phone (the true degeneration ofsound system culture),

2. BBC documentaries


Thankfully their are enough quality producers working with new sonics and ideas that i can fill my radio show with dubs each week and enjoy a lot of mixes/nights where DJs are pushing things...and hopefully new producers will also bring fresh sounds to the scene and new audiences will dig around and discover music they like that maybe they weren't expecting...

And i'm quite glad that we are back to the stage where we have to describe what type of music we like, even if now it is to change people's preconceptions rather than to form them.

[misk]

You've all made good points, and here i am with a release in my signature that is most definitely chainsaw bass.

When i started producing dubstep, i had an idea of what it was, and I wanted to validate that claim, so i produced dubstep that was similar to what i had heard from other producers, and in other dj sets.
I suppose i was trying to clone a sound, because, I liked the sound, and i wanted to hear more. I wanted to be able to "do" that sound, and i wanted to get somewhere with my music. You'd be amazed at the reaction people give you when you make a chainsaw bass tune.

So time passes, and i see more and more of these chainsaw bass tunes, and i realize that the only way im going to get my music signed as an artist, is by making these tunes that people want to hear. so i make some, and i get signed to some record labels, and my chainsaw bass tunes get played, and people rave to them.

But i've felt, for a while that im just going through the motions when i make a tune. I've got a formula and its stale. It's boring and im uninspired by what im doing. There is no "hard" when all there is is hard, right? So i decide to do something different, and im experimenting with other sounds.

What I've found, is that to go off on your own and make something original is HARD. Music is about communicating feelings and thoughts that there are no words for, as far as im concerned, and it's hard if you've spent most of your time thinking you had nothing to say. It's difficult to write from your heart and write what you believe in if you've never given yourself an opportunity to listen.

Philip Glass says that music isn't something you "make", but instead, it's always there. Music is an underground river - always flowing, and always changing. it's always playing in the background. Your job, as a producer, or composer, or trashcan drumset player, or whatever, is to listen to that music, and write down what you hear.

These days, I write what i hear. I have begun to have personal relationships with my songs, where if i try and make them something they're not, it becomes difficult, because the message is muddled, and i have to take a step back, let go, and listen to what the song wants to be and then write it down.

I have quite a few new songs these days, and most dubstep labels aren't interested in them, but really who cares? im being true to myself, and my artistic vision. either people will come around or they wont, but i like what im doing, and i know these songs are good - because i made them with a truth in my heart that cannot be taken away from me. I made them with my own unique vision, and i wrote down what I heard when i listened to that underground river, not what i heard in the club, on the radio, or in the record store. a few of these tunes, by the way, are on my myspace in my signature. im not plugging my shit, but if people want to compare what i've been doing to what im doing now, they're welcome to.

I think it's great that theres this chainsaw bass world, thats driving so many artists away from "dubstep". these artists are making music without a name and staying true to themselves, wandering around in the night on their own, no longer under the umbrella of a genre. maybe, if they're really lucky, and they listen, they'll get to hear who the fuck they really are and have something unique to share with people.

[prisoner]

thread over.

excellent post misk.

[abZ]

I think there needs to be some clarification in this thread. When you mean chainsaw bass are you referring to a specific sound as in the Brutal Electro patch in Massive? The one the Chase and Status use in every tune? There has been a thread on it in the production forum for like 2 years now. It is showing up in more tunes every day. I can't remember a preset that has been rinsed this much since Juno patches in the 80's and guess what? Those Juno patches are worshiped as classics today. Of course they are hated for their overuse as well. I have a feeling Brutal Electro will have the same sort of impact of the future.

I just made a tune with that patch last night lol. I like going against the grain by going with the grain if that makes sense? I just think if you start saying I don't like this sound or that sound a list grows and pretty soon you only listen to tunes with sub bass and echos.

Then again maybe you are talking about an actual chainsaw sound or just cutting saw bass in general?

[jolly wailer]

so who's accepting buck 30 tropical rollers?

[seckle]

is going meeeeaaaaarrrr vowowvowvowvwowowow NIIIIEWWWWW BIT CRUSH BIT CRUSH

we all like a bit of it mixed into a night out, but the problem now is that its way beyond the random tunes placed into a set. there's radio shows out there (naming them is not important) were you can hear a good 50 minutes of chainsaws in a 2 hour show.

even back during the half step sound days, when loads of people sounded like loefah, it wasn't 50 minutes of halfstep in a two hour set. it was always mashed up textures. if you go back and listen to youngsta rinse sets from 2004 or even slaughter mobs sets from 2004, its mostly a mix of sounds from halfstep to breaks to 2step to dark UKG. all sorts. mutations of the sound are healthy and always happen naturally, but extremes of any one thing makes the whole thing less dangerous and then very easy to package.

[seckle]

I think there needs to be some clarification in this thread. When you mean chainsaw bass are you referring to a specific sound as in the Brutal Electro patch in Massive? The one the Chase and Status use in every tune? There has been a thread on it in the production forum for like 2 years now. It is showing up in more tunes every day. I can't remember a preset that has been rinsed this much since Juno patches in the 80's and guess what? Those Juno patches are worshiped as classics today. Of course they are hated for their overuse as well. I have a feeling Brutal Electro will have the same sort of impact of the future.

I just made a tune with that patch last night lol. I like going against the grain by going with the grain if that makes sense? I just think if you start saying I don't like this sound or that sound a list grows and pretty soon you only listen to tunes with sub bass and echos.

Then again maybe you are talking about an actual chainsaw sound or just cutting saw bass in general?

it doesn't need pinpointing. go to any of the major digital stores and go through their top 50 tunes for dubstep. its obvious.

[sequethin]

If discussion like this is going on here often then I really need to read this forum more... bigup TheZimm for putting me on to this thread via twitter

thanks for the interesting read...

[djelements]

thread over.

excellent post misk.

This.

[abZ]

is going meeeeaaaaarrrr vowowvowvowvwowowow NIIIIEWWWWW BIT CRUSH BIT CRUSH

we all like a bit of it mixed into a night out, but the problem now is that its way beyond the random tunes placed into a set. there's radio shows out there (naming them is not important) were you can hear a good 50 minutes of chainsaws in a 2 hour show.

even back during the half step sound days, when loads of people sounded like loefah, it wasn't 50 minutes of halfstep in a two hour set. it was always mashed up textures. if you go back and listen to youngsta rinse sets from 2004 or even slaughter mobs sets from 2004, its mostly a mix of sounds from halfstep to breaks to 2step to dark UKG. all sorts. mutations of the sound are healthy and always happen naturally, but extremes of any one thing makes the whole thing less dangerous and then very easy to package.

That really has nothing to do with chainsaw bass. That is what people are doing these days, putting full sets of similar sounding stuff together no matter what the particular sound is. Same thing happened in DNB like 10 years ago which lead to the total split of sub-genres. It isn't a good thing but it is what it is. The only thing you can do is if you believe in diversified sets then you should play diverse sets. You can't make everyone else agree with your way of doing things.

I myself have gotten a little carried away with the dutty halfstep sets but I am backing off by bringing out the swing and sub next set, maybe even some 4/4. Def have to break it up when it gets monotonous.

[abZ]

I think there needs to be some clarification in this thread. When you mean chainsaw bass are you referring to a specific sound as in the Brutal Electro patch in Massive? The one the Chase and Status use in every tune? There has been a thread on it in the production forum for like 2 years now. It is showing up in more tunes every day. I can't remember a preset that has been rinsed this much since Juno patches in the 80's and guess what? Those Juno patches are worshiped as classics today. Of course they are hated for their overuse as well. I have a feeling Brutal Electro will have the same sort of impact of the future.

I just made a tune with that patch last night lol. I like going against the grain by going with the grain if that makes sense? I just think if you start saying I don't like this sound or that sound a list grows and pretty soon you only listen to tunes with sub bass and echos.

Then again maybe you are talking about an actual chainsaw sound or just cutting saw bass in general?

it doesn't need pinpointing. go to any of the major digital stores and go through their top 50 tunes for dubstep. its obvious.

Alright, alright I got ya. I was only asking because there are some discussions going on about the particular pinpointed sound I was speaking on was just wondering if this referred to that or not.

[semr]

I like some of it but over all yes IM INCREDIBLY BORED when every single tune is going meeeeaaaaarrrr vowowvowvowvwowowow NIIIIEWWWWW BIT CRUSH BIT CRUSH

its not even music really is it....

I find this sort of thing a bit too much to handle sometimes..i like some of it but theres a limit to how much heavy chainsaw shit i take. its sick in a rave or in a mix but i can't just sit there listenin to it hours on end.

some of it just bores me...

this "dubstep" is like the the metal of dance music.

[kingduppy]

There used to be a time when people asked you what type of music you liked and you had to start explaining about what dubstep was....now you have to backtrack and try and explain what it isn't!

lol THANK YOU thats what ive been trying to say.

[jolly wailer]

whatchamacallit?

[intoccabile]

There used to be a time when people asked you what type of music you liked and you had to start explaining about what dubstep was....now you have to backtrack and try and explain what it isn't!

So true

[abs]

i liked misks post!