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metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:41 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:
numaestro wrote:Does anybody know any good male bellydancers? Shit - I think I've posted on the wrong thread.
Wrong forum mate. Your looking for www.gayforum.com

Don't know why i'm assuming you a male. Still you'll probably find male belly dancers on there.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:17 am

8 wrote:

militant!!!!!

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:44 am

8 wrote:

All bow to Georgina!

Or she'll cap yer ass!

jackquinox · Post by **jackquinox** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:46 am

owengriffiths wrote: 'producing' tracks is a complicated subject. Production itself is complicated. It seems like the only way you could ever master it would be to study it from GCSE level, move up to A-Levels, Degrees, Masters Degree, PHD... and still never understand it. That's why we need engineers, and the cheeky fuckers know how skilled they are and that's why they charge so much!

I never got GCSE option for music mastering!

Think your confusing producing/composing with actual mastering my friend and believe me theres alot of people never got a college degree that can work pro tools.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:14 am

jackquinox wrote:
owengriffiths wrote: 'producing' tracks is a complicated subject. Production itself is complicated. It seems like the only way you could ever master it would be to study it from GCSE level, move up to A-Levels, Degrees, Masters Degree, PHD... and still never understand it. That's why we need engineers, and the cheeky fuckers know how skilled they are and that's why they charge so much!
I never got GCSE option for music mastering!

Think your confusing producing/composing with actual mastering my friend and believe me theres alot of people never got a college degree that can work pro tools.

Agreed.In fact,most people I know of who have degrees and use ProTools,have degrees in something other than music.

There is a difference,I think,between some producers and others.There are those who approach it as a technical thing,calculating time signatures and tweaking frequencies the way they think it is "proper".Then there are the producers(like many on this forum) who love music,and do the same thing in creative and interesting ways.Some of the greatest producers in the world(in all genres)never went to school for it...they just feel the sound.They know what they like to hear and make it sound like that,as opposed to a lot of slick,mainstream producers who go by the book so that everything sounds like top 40.And if you notice,there has been a trend in the last few years with the majors hiring buttloads of young,unsigned,non-ProTools educated producers,mixers,engineers(not all of them have degrees in music either),because the "proper" way just isn't enough anymore.It really wouldn't surprise me if majors are looking to romance dubstep producers,maybe even trolling this forum in silence,searching for a way to get 50Cent,Madonna,and Nelly Furtado thier very own 'Midnight Request Line'-ish single(Skream would probably be at the top of thier list.I hope he likes flowers and candy!

).That's what sort of how it happened with Neptunes.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:07 am

I should probably add also that two of the main influences in this whole dub,dubstep,dnb ting didn't have degrees in producing and engineering.Lee Perry sold records and King Tubby started as a radio repairman.

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:07 am

Echo Wanderer wrote:It really wouldn't surprise me if majors are looking to romance dubstep producers,maybe even trolling this forum in silence,searching for a way to get 50Cent,Madonna,and Nelly Furtado thier very own 'Midnight Request Line'-ish single(Skream would probably be at the top of thier list.I hope he likes flowers and candy! )

Nelly over Request Line!

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:59 am

mos dan wrote:
Nelly over Request Line!

Oh shit...

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:07 am

you know what though i still absolutely rate country grammar, its a sick tune

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:15 pm

Joseph-J wrote:I'm sure Promo's wanked his sense of humour away years ago.

owengriffiths · Post by **owengriffiths** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:20 pm

Jackquinox wrote: Think your confusing producing/composing with actual mastering my friend and believe me theres alot of people never got a college degree that can work pro tools.

Don't know about you, but I find it a big fucking insult when I pick up magazines like Future Music and cant fathom a word they say. I did do a basic 1 week course in cubase once (10 students with one teacher; fairly informal council funded affair), but the idea of making tracks just still makes my mind boggle. You're right though, untold thousands of people have been able to produce dance tunes over the last 20 years with little or no training.

But I still assume that we shouldn't belittle the hard work of DJ Rap & Grooverider (if any of you can still remember that thread.

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:30 pm

You know sth - I say this with respect cos we all have an opinion etc - but some of you guys I think have lost sight of the idea that tight engineering is essential to making good trax. Mainstream tunes are made for mainstream ears - less comercial music still needs to be made "properly"though. Engineering alone does not a good track make, but all the vibe in the world without it will fall flat on its face played over a big rig - dare say you can get away with it playing mp3 over a pair of tinny PC speakers.
Listen to all the best dubstep producers and their productions - it's all bolted to the floor. Engineering is also "creative" too. Finding innovative solutions to technical problems. -

owengriffiths · Post by **owengriffiths** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:52 pm

Yeah, I suppose people shouldn't be slagging off gays. When it was about Pronto and his sausage jockeying it was humourous and unsinister (if such a word exists), but we should get off the topic now before it becomes offencive.

Talking about mastering though, I remember reading an interview with Loefah where he said he was very unhappy about the quality of mastering on his Big Apple Ep's and the DMZ releases when they were semi white label. But when I first heard 'Horror Show' on J Da Flex's show it sounded amazing.

Then I bought it and it sounds terrible on my (in terms of cost- midrange) hifi. And yet this is the same HiFi that played it out from the radio (proving my home set up is not the weakest link). It just doesn't make sense. Cause when I play my vinyl copy, all I hear is a very very quiet subbase sound, which really just makes you feel that when he was in the studio he just held his finger down on the keyboard for 8 bars, whereas from the radio show I know that the bassline uses different keys.

Even on the Forward Live mixtape by Youngsta, the same problem happens, and he's playing it through a big fuck off sound system (albeit recorded onto CD when you're actually listening to it). It sounded shit on that CD and it sounded shit when it was played on Plastician's Radio1 show a few weeks back. So I don't know what it is, but somehow J Da Flex's 1XTRA studio assisstants can tweak the eq's to perfection.

PS: For all those who say that Dubstep cannot be listened to without club speakers, ie. home listening is pointless. Can you really say that you enjoy this style of music?

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:33 pm

numaestro wrote:Mainstream tunes are made for mainstream ears - less comercial music still needs to be made "properly"though.

Mainstream pop tunes are produced by some of the most technically skilled people in the business. They have money to spend. All music is club music these days..

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:44 pm

UFO over easy wrote:you're all gay

I think you'll find you meant to say your all gay.

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numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:18 pm

Thinking man it's interesting what you're saying. I wonder what the boffins at the beeb can do. Loefah is for me an excellent engineer and I can see a "jump" he made, think some peeps say his "new" sound n stuff - s'ppose practice makes perfect. All the guys who have been doing this for time make heavy heavy tunes and are a source of endless inspiration for us.

Reckon if your shit is made right it will sound cool on domestic speakers too - some of us just have to make do with weak systems in small clubs but I don't see this as pointless - but I guess the full effect is only gonna be on a rig.

Regards mainstream producers/engineers n stuff I dimly remember DnD going on in an interview about the type of equipment guys have in the states and stuff - which sort of explained why so few peeps in the UK can get anywhere near them technically on Rnb and hip hop. I'll try and dig that one up

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:45 pm

owengriffiths wrote:
PS: For all those who say that Dubstep cannot be listened to without club speakers, ie. home listening is pointless. Can you really say that you enjoy this style of music?

home listening is not pointless, just not the optimum method of hearing it

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:19 pm

ramadanman wrote:
owengriffiths wrote:
PS: For all those who say that Dubstep cannot be listened to without club speakers, ie. home listening is pointless. Can you really say that you enjoy this style of music?
home listening is not pointless, just not the optimum method of hearing it

True dat!

Make it at home,bump it in the clubs!

Though dubstep still gets me excited at home.

btw@Ramadanman:Really feelin' "We are" mate!Was bumpin' that AT HOME and couldn't deny the dubbysteppy goodness!

owengriffiths · Post by **owengriffiths** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:26 am

I would want to see more girls in certain clubs. I would want to see more boys in certain clubs.

I find it a bit disturbing that clubland is funny like this. Because, for example, this kind of thing doesn't happen on say, public transport: bus passengers are 50/50 male/female.

For clubs to have more of a mixed crowd would be a good thing.

I have no answers to solve this problem, so I'm not going to speak any more on it. And if anyone has got the wrong end of the stick over the past 100 odd posts, well, fuck it.

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