brostep

[rob sparx]

the point is that there's a massive trend of stupid music being made. stupid as in formulaic. everyone following the next man, instead of taking their own routes. metal/abrasive/chainsaw sounds are not the issue.

Thats true its perfectly possible to be innovative and write that sort of music but its a lot more hard work than just cloning someone elses style. Its Ppl that say ALL jumpup/moshstep etc is shit just bcos theres any midrange frequencies used regardless of how much effort went into the music etc who need to shut the fuk up on this forum as that bullshit is the reason many producers don't even bother logging in on here anymore.

I don't think taking influences from other ppl sounds is a bad thing though as long as your mixing them up with your own styles and techniques and trying to develop them as well, I do that all the time if anything its a complement to the other producer and its also a competitive thing - if I hear a sound that I've never made b4 that makes me go "what the fuck is that noise" I want to make it just to test myself. For instance since I've been listening to Jokers music I've realised theres a whole loads of sounds which i know how to make but gave up trying to get to work in my music until I heard the way he was using them - now when I'm working on a livlier tune instead of going for another throb/wobble/reece to fill a gap in the midrange I know I can use a classic synth chord or arpeggio etc instead which is great (bigup Joker BTW sick producer!).

true, is ninja scrolls gunna be getting a digi release, big big tune
and guns at dawn, big.

Thx man - both tunes have been on beatport for months now, I'm gonna do a Migration compilation cd at some point next year as well so they'll probably be on that as well

[JimmaJamJamie]

djsihva & seckle have pretty much wrapped it all up and said it all.

One of the reason's i don't like this "sub-genre" is because it just sounds shittly produced and is still picked up by labels. It's just constant grinding noises and chainsaws and shit and it just hurts my head after a while and when DJ's play just constant chainsaw shit all through there set it gets extremely menotinous.

I obviously still like mental songs but only when they are done well e.g. Distance, Skream, Coki, Kromestar etc...

it's Vex'd/Coki's fault to begin with.



*typed with some sarcasm...some



I like how Kromestar can flip between the two styles.

Yeah but they do it well, unlike these new producers.

[gettingcolder]

and when the DJ drops a that really hard track that makes every drunk on the floor go nuts, they're gonna drop more of them. And it just evolves like that.

this is a very important point - the DJ's role.

it's very obvious to me as a DJ that I can go up there and play banger after banger, and get a big reaction every drop. It's obvious to most in fact, which is why people do it. It's a lot harder to build a set, and you have to accept that if you're going to do that, the first few tracks of your set are gonna make it look like you've just cleared the floor a bit (esp if the previous DJ was playing wobblez). Which, really, you have. But if you keep playing good stuff, they'll come back, and be actually dancing rather than moshing, and it'll be a more engaged crowd overall, rather than just the sweaty bare-chested boys down the front shouting. But this takes resolve and a degree of confidence in what you're doing - and it's a lot easier to just bottle it, pull out the BANGERZZ and watch the place go off. But a lot less satisfying IMO. I can totally understand why it happens though....

so true

[Sharmaji]

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this is a very important point - the DJ's role.

it's very obvious to me as a DJ that I can go up there and play banger after banger, and get a big reaction every drop. It's obvious to most in fact, which is why people do it. It's a lot harder to build a set, and you have to accept that if you're going to do that, the first few tracks of your set are gonna make it look like you've just cleared the floor a bit (esp if the previous DJ was playing wobblez). Which, really, you have. But if you keep playing good stuff, they'll come back, and be actually dancing rather than moshing, and it'll be a more engaged crowd overall, rather than just the sweaty bare-chested boys down the front shouting. But this takes resolve and a degree of confidence in what you're doing - and it's a lot easier to just bottle it, pull out the BANGERZZ and watch the place go off. But a lot less satisfying IMO. I can totally understand why it happens though....

there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ clearing the floor a few times through the night-- gotta open up the experience for a broad range of people. Junior Vasquez is famous for this, every few hours just wiping it clean and starting afresh.

[bagelator]

just wiping it clean and starting afresh.

[mr.ben_cardiff]

for lack of a better name...

i hate to make a wipe thread complaining about this but it has been gnawing at my innards:

has anyone noticed how aggressive and testosterone fueled tunes have been getting made? dun get me wrong, i am able to enjoy a rough and rugged tune that meks me twist up into a screw face, but i fear this trend is taking us on the route that dnb went some years ago. the whole who can sound the hardest pissing contest (i.e. who can drive girls off the dancefloor the fastest) caused many to jump ship from dnb and breaks.

i'm not saying it has to be all deep and mellow, but the shredded midrange, reminiscent of tearout breakbeats, doesn't sit well with me.

i understand that styles evolve, but i think we need to take caution. i'm not going to name names, but some tunes just turn the dancefloor into backwards baseball cap brofest. i'd hate to have another style of music that i enjoy playing and dancing to get morphed into an unpalatable mush of midrange madness.

thoughts?


ps
F U IF YOU DISAGREE.

I couldnt agree more man, a lot of people realeasing crap on digital labels doesnt help the situation.
I cant stand this whole "Wobble" situation. I preffer real sounding music not the sound of a family of gameboys taking a shit.

[leebass]

It's funny how people keep saying, "i hate it i hate it i hate it": just don't listen to it then.

I think some people just love to complain.

[mr.ben_cardiff]

It's funny how people keep saying, "i hate it i hate it i hate it": just don't listen to it then.

I think some people just love to complain.

you are right. the easy option is to just not listen, works for me

[seckle]

It's funny how people keep saying, "i hate it i hate it i hate it": just don't listen to it then.

I think some people just love to complain.

thats missing the point completely. i want to hear it, but i don't want to hear hours of it at a dance or sift through pages of it at an online store. especially if its completely similar or even a complete copy of someone else's ideas. same way i don't want to hear hours of half step or top ten pop remixes done to 140. moderation moderation moderation.

[claw]

hey bros......heres a secret how to make all these non-bros think your music is "deep"

take your current track.....erase everything except the kick, snare, and a clap, add a bunch of echo to the snare/clap
low pass your 'chainsaw brodawg' bass so you only get a freq range of about 40-70hz from it
then delete everything else in the track that doesnt sound like you could lull a whale with it

win.

[seckle]

sound the hardest pissing contest (i.e. who can drive girls off the dancefloor the fastest) caused many to jump ship from dnb and breaks.

[hellfire machina]

I have a few questions -



Why is it that the negativity comes from only from one side of this debate?


What is so hard to comprehend about music being a career for many people and therefore actions of producers/dj's being based on achieving success in their field.

Why is it that people seem to think making heavier dubstep is a pissing contest between producers trying to make the hardest tune, could it be that many people happen to like the harder end of the spectrum, the intensity and energy that comes with it.

Why does it seem to be the consensus that dubstep at the heavier end of the scale is easy to make or at least easier than the deeper options?


Does anyone else see the irony of the fact that the biggest moaners on this board about this subject are people that have very little involvment in the music other than standing on the sidelines. It seems that the biggest blasts of negativity comes from the hobbyists.


Is it that some people feel threatened by the new guard, it's only evolution of sound after all, change is good no? Or is that only relevant in politics now?

[chefugee]

I like music.



No complaints here.

[boogiedave]

I have a few questions -



Why is it that the negativity comes from only from one side of this debate?


What is so hard to comprehend about music being a career for many people and therefore actions of producers/dj's being based on achieving success in their field.

Why is it that people seem to think making heavier dubstep is a pissing contest between producers trying to make the hardest tune, could it be that many people happen to like the harder end of the spectrum, the intensity and energy that comes with it.

Why does it seem to be the consensus that dubstep at the heavier end of the scale is easy to make or at least easier than the deeper options?


Does anyone else see the irony of the fact that the biggest moaners on this board about this subject are people that have very little involvment in the music other than standing on the sidelines. It seems that the biggest blasts of negativity comes from the hobbyists.


Is it that some people feel threatened by the new guard, it's only evolution of sound after all, change is good no? Or is that only relevant in politics now?

I concur!

and I have to say, the Hellfire Machina logo is pretty damn amazing

[Pistonsbeneath]

it's only evolution of sound after all, change is good no?

EVOLUTION

any process of formation or growth; development

[seckle]

Ended up splintering the community, and hearing the same style of music all night is boring.

[fairieswearboots]

Trust me: nothing will split a scene faster than when sub-genre names start being used

You would hope Dubstep would learn from DnB and not splinter the scene,

Just call it dubstep - even if some bits you cant stand and arent your cup o' tea

[seckle]

Trust me: nothing will split a scene faster than when sub-genre names start being used

You would hope Dubstep would learn from DnB and not splinter the scene,

Just call it dubstep - even if some bits you cant stand and arent your cup o' tea

wisdom. those of us old enough to remember, need to speak up more these days.

[gremino]

The thing is, when a scene reaches a certain point, it then turns into a popularity contest and being all about inner circles. (Yeah I know this was exaggerated but you got the point.) My observations just are that underground scenes are rarely truly about just music. It's pointless to try turn the way dubstep is heading because this is just the way things goes.

Okey, that was negative, but I'm still not being pessimistic here! The way I see things, is that this is about cat and mouse play here: All innovative, edgy and trueheart producers are always fleeing copycat bros who messes up their current scene, to create a new one. And when that new one becomes big enough, it can't be hidden anymore and it becomes a new prey for all copycatters. And the cycle continues - constant fleeing. Or then you could see things in counter cultures/movements/scenes. There's always going to be counter-scenes, and certainly a one for brostep!

I think Geeneus is one who recognizes this; he doesn't waste his time for bad music. Instead he constantly goes with the flow to play and produce good music. Some would call this bandwagon jumping, but for me jungle, garage, grime, dubstep, funky are all the same music at the end of the day. Just different form. I wonder how things would be, if producers/djs/listeners would accept this. Propably less energy output for fighting against the windmill (trying genres to not get all bro/nerdy/hipster) and more energy for just going with the flow towards good music.

And if someone fears that they will lose that original dubstep sound forever, do not fear: it will come back, but just in an another form. It's just like that original junglist vibe never really didn't disappear. It came back via 2step and dubstep. And that dubstep vibe, say 05' for example will certainly come back, but in an another form. This is what i believe.

Though, I must ask: how would dubstep be right now if some of the original heads like Skream, Benga and N-type would not had been supporting brostep? Tbh, that have been a big factor for things how they are right now. But in the other side, can you really blame them for making money from music?!

[akindele]

I have a few questions -





Does anyone else see the irony of the fact that the biggest moaners on this board about this subject are people that have very little involvment in the music other than standing on the sidelines. It seems that the biggest blasts of negativity comes from the hobbyists.


Is it that some people feel threatened by the new guard, it's only evolution of sound after all, change is good no? Or is that only relevant in politics now?

These people who you call "moaners" are the ones who held up this music, are the ones who supported this music when it was'nt fashionable. Brought tunes, went to the nights when it was'nt the cool thing to do. And these people are a little upset and frustrated that the music they love is being stripped of it's roots and culture and being taken into a direction that's the opposite of what this music was all about in the first place.

Change for the sake of change isn't always a good thing.