obama wins nobel peace prize

[surface_tension]

Innocent until proven guilty is a misnomer. You can be PRESUMED innocent and be guilty as hell. Obama is a supposed scholar of constitutional law. Fair play to him, he surely understands that funding an illegal military action amounts to treason. Surely he knows that we hanged the Japanese for waterboarding our troops. Surely he should see the same fate as the Japanese did at our hands for his crimes. Votes to fund Iraq amount to treason and I definitely support putting every member of congress in a gas chamber should they ever be found guilty in a court of law. And there aren't very many who are blameless there.

Just where the fuck do we think we get off?

Obama is a part of the machine. Fuck him. He's a liar. He doesn't do what he promised to do. And he's a bought and paid for shill. And that's the nice shit I have to say about him. What I don't understand is why every person defending Obama is calling anyone critical of Obama a racist. I bought a bag of weed from my boy Terrence earlier, black as can be. Friend since childhood. My child is multiracial.

1000% my views are policy based. Dude is a puppet. There's no point in trying to prove it to you. If the vast preponderance of proof right in front of your face isn't enough, there's nothing new I can bring to the table. Common sense is far too uncommon though. Name one accomplishment that Obama has in the last 5 years...

excluding fooling the American people, excluding his award for doing nothing, excluding getting young people to vote(albeit for a fucking tool)... what has he done?

He and Hillary Clinton had an identical record... just saying. And I'm not a McShame supporter BTW, just a reasonable American that doesn't want to be penalized for working hard and a bit of financial luck.

And inheriting this shit is no excuse btw...

if you and I go and rob a convenience store and you shoot the clerk while I'm cleaning the money out, we both go down for murder. There is no level of culpability to be argued here. In for a penny, in for a pound IMO. He is in charge now and he's continuing the policy. Murdering scum IMO.

[hurlingdervish]

i never called you a racist, i called the pundits racist.

innocent till proven guilty exists for a reason. even if it doesn't work all the time, its better than people making blind accusations with nothing to back it up but emotional opinions and feelings of mistrust.

im not a blind supporter of obama, nor am i fully against him...i voted for ron paul

i agree with you 100 percent he hasn't done shit, but thats like hating the bullied worse than the bully

the problem isn't obama its the congress and tv. and i can back that up.

[alien pimp]

Innocent until proven guilty is a misnomer. You can be PRESUMED innocent and be guilty as hell. Obama is a supposed scholar of constitutional law. Fair play to him, he surely understands that funding an illegal military action amounts to treason. Surely he knows that we hanged the Japanese for waterboarding our troops. Surely he should see the same fate as the Japanese did at our hands for his crimes. Votes to fund Iraq amount to treason and I definitely support putting every member of congress in a gas chamber should they ever be found guilty in a court of law. And there aren't very many who are blameless there.

Just where the fuck do we think we get off?

Obama is a part of the machine. Fuck him. He's a liar. He doesn't do what he promised to do. And he's a bought and paid for shill. And that's the nice shit I have to say about him. What I don't understand is why every person defending Obama is calling anyone critical of Obama a racist. I bought a bag of weed from my boy Terrence earlier, black as can be. Friend since childhood. My child is multiracial.

1000% my views are policy based. Dude is a puppet. There's no point in trying to prove it to you. If the vast preponderance of proof right in front of your face isn't enough, there's nothing new I can bring to the table. Common sense is far too uncommon though. Name one accomplishment that Obama has in the last 5 years...

excluding fooling the American people, excluding his award for doing nothing, excluding getting young people to vote(albeit for a fucking tool)... what has he done?

He and Hillary Clinton had an identical record... just saying. And I'm not a McShame supporter BTW, just a reasonable American that doesn't want to be penalized for working hard and a bit of financial luck.

And inheriting this shit is no excuse btw...

if you and I go and rob a convenience store and you shoot the clerk while I'm cleaning the money out, we both go down for murder. There is no level of culpability to be argued here. In for a penny, in for a pound IMO. He is in charge now and he's continuing the policy. Murdering scum IMO.

fuck them and their law!
innocent is different from good/true

[hurlingdervish]

lets just get rid of guilty and innocent and let the mobs decide what to do

if that happened it would be a giant witch hunt and everyone would hang.

[alien pimp]

innocent till proven guilty exists for a reason. even if it doesn't work all the time, its better than people making blind accusations with nothing to back it up but emotional opinions and feelings of mistrust.

yeah, but that's accusing to be wrong everybody saying the opposite, so please prove it!

[alien pimp]

lets just get rid of guilty and innocent and let the mobs decide what to do

if that happened it would be a giant witch hunt and everyone would hang.

yeah, but to establish if someone is innocent you have to prove some statements are true/false. and if you can't operate those 2 concepts in some situations, just innocent/guilty you will enter some thinking loop and you will fail as a jury and your dream is doomed and OMG:!:

[hurlingdervish]

I can obviously, like every other human, differentiate between true or false.

you are just being condescending now in order to get the last word

[alien pimp]

I can obviously, like every other human, differentiate between true or false

if you do, can you apply it to that sentence i asked you to prove and tell me if it's true/false and what makes is so?

explanatory edit: because i didn't ask you to prove obama is innocent in court, i asked you to prove your sentence is true. so fuck the "innocent/guilty" espnish crap

[surface_tension]

lets just get rid of guilty and innocent and let the mobs decide what to do

if that happened it would be a giant witch hunt and everyone would hang.

Mob rule worked quite well in the founding of this nation. Big up for supporting Ron Paul. As far as I'm concerned, besides he and Dennis Kucinich, there isn't a single honest person in politics. I voted for Paul and he wasn't on the ballot for the General Election, if that gives you an idea of how sincere of a vote that was for me.

The answer for 1984 is 1776.

[hurlingdervish]

I can obviously, like every other human, differentiate between true or false

if you do, can you apply it to that sentence i asked you to prove and tell me if it's true/false and what makes is so?

no
waste of energy at this point in time

I dont particularly like obama as a president but he needs the devil's advocate because halve the people who dislike him don't know their ass from their face even if the other half has completely sound basis for dissent.
but all in all people are more angry at his lack of action than the 8 years of slaughter and terrorism that bush gave us
to which i say WHAT THE FUCK??

[hurlingdervish]

lets just get rid of guilty and innocent and let the mobs decide what to do

if that happened it would be a giant witch hunt and everyone would hang.

Mob rule worked quite well in the founding of this nation. Big up for supporting Ron Paul. As far as I'm concerned, besides he and Dennis Kucinich, there isn't a single honest person in politics. I voted for Paul and he wasn't on the ballot for the General Election, if that gives you an idea of how sincere of a vote that was for me.

The answer for 1984 is 1776.

kucinich was the man!

but apparently good ideas = crazy pants in presidential debates

as for mob rule....meh no mob rule but i think we should give power back to the states and there would be no need for a large presidential government besides the absolute necessities...

and if you didn't like the laws of the individual states

you just fuckin move to the next state over!!

[alien pimp]

I can obviously, like every other human, differentiate between true or false

if you do, can you apply it to that sentence i asked you to prove and tell me if it's true/false and what makes is so?

no
waste of energy at this point in time

always is when it's your turn to prove your words?

and you still didn't opt: always or sometimes?

[hurlingdervish]

I can obviously, like every other human, differentiate between true or false

if you do, can you apply it to that sentence i asked you to prove and tell me if it's true/false and what makes is so?

no
waste of energy at this point in time

always is when it's your turn to prove your words?

and you still didn't opt: always or sometimes?

ive spent quite enough time trying to explain myself to you and you never reciprocated...not worth the energy

[alien pimp]

I can obviously, like every other human, differentiate between true or false

if you do, can you apply it to that sentence i asked you to prove and tell me if it's true/false and what makes is so?

no
waste of energy at this point in time

always is when it's your turn to prove your words?

and you still didn't opt: always or sometimes?

ive spent quite enough time trying to explain myself to you and you never reciprocated...not worth the energy

yeh, you always say shit like that: not worht the energy, my posts are not part of "anything" and i don't need to prove shit...

[hurlingdervish]

always say shit like that? this is the first time ive ever said it to you...normally we can debate this shit

unless you are actually parson....

in which case i have said to you a lot

[alien pimp]

you told it to me about a 12 times this thread and never did what you said
because you always contradict yourself

like that time when you said you don't have to prove what you say, then you said everyone has to, then you said again your case is an exception

[hurlingdervish]

you told it to me about a 12 times this thread and never did what you said
because you always contradict yourself

like that time when you said you don't have to prove what you say, then you said everyone has to, then you said again your case is an exception

because i was not making any points about obama, you were. im not doing this again.

when I did make points it was about the media and I backed them up, and you ignored the post, even when I reposted it, you ignored it.

so sorry its not worth my time anymore.

[alien pimp]

you told it to me about a 12 times this thread and never did what you said
because you always contradict yourself

like that time when you said you don't have to prove what you say, then you said everyone has to, then you said again your case is an exception

because i was not making any points about obama, you were. im not doing this again.

when I did make points it was about the media and I backed them up, and you ignored the post, even when I reposted it, you ignored it.

so sorry its not worth my time anymore.

obviously, because you would say more contradictory stuff, like this time, when you contradicts this:

i cant call him a puppet cause thats misinformed .

you gotta back this up with some info that proves he has his own will that at least occasionally prevails over the big capital's interests

not to mention you accused us to be misinformed but you turned it like we accuse obama of being evil and we have to prove it
and that contradicts when you say accusation needs to prove itself

which is fun to watch

[alien pimp]

how about this:
if statistically at least 75% of your posts in this thread have another one of your own that contradicts it, would you write: "i have the balls to say i didn't think this through!"

[hurlingdervish]

when i said that i should have said that it was my opinion

it is my opinion that people who say he is a puppets are misinformed.