How to Make Burial Style Beats (Computer Music Guide)

[bandshell]

I need a refill

Who would have though me answering a question that's been asked on this forum at least 10+ times would yield this kind of drama.

Carry on!

anything can create drama in this highly charged atmosphere.

[hurlingdervish]

I need a refill

Who would have though me answering a question that's been asked on this forum at least 10+ times would yield this kind of drama.

Carry on!

anything can create drama in this highly charged atmosphere.

why did you have to break the tension like that...

people were on the verge of saying very stupid things....

[deadly_habit]

ah looks like some people have massive amounts of sand in their vaginas

[cartoon_head]

The only people that will throw about accusations are the same people who, while everyone else is dancing away in a club, will refuse to dance to a tune opting instead to stand still talking to the person next to them about how the tune uses Massives brutal electro patch or whatever the fuck you people are moaning about these days.

these people are called "music journalists", and they will make or break your career.

People on internet forums will make or break my career? Probably, i'm sure you all hand in Pendulum's downward spiral into obscurity.

are we in a club? you're the one whining here
music forum discusses music...imitation is a part of the game, if you don't want to discuss it....don't

I'm whining at the whiners!

I'm more than happy to discuss music (why else would i be on a music forum? Other than having no social life) and imitation of other's styles, but saying it's imitation for using a sample of rain, fire, or the plonking sound of a turd hitting the water in a toilet is stupid.

[feral witchchild]

This didn't teach me anything about ripping Burial off which I didn't already know. Disappointing.

One love 2 Mico Viejo.

[mico viejo]

This didn't teach me anything about ripping Burial off which I didn't already know. Disappointing.

One love 2 Mico Viejo.

with a name like feral witchchild i doubt there even is anythign about ripping off burial that u dont already know.

thanks for the loving btw

[feral witchchild]

with a name like feral witchchild i doubt there even is anythign about ripping off burial that u dont already know.

I'm not quite as good at tempo correction (as it relates to vocal pitching) as I'd like to be, but eventually, my dear mico, eventually.

[future producer]

I like the way that half of dubstep, including really respected producers, uses jerky halfstep beats and heavy bass, but noone accuses them of ripping off Loefah, but as soon as anyone talks about using a wonky garage beat they're a burial ripoff.

Tbh, this entire style and all of its predecessors have been built on people copying stuff that they like and making their own twist on it. Maybe Burial should have come up with his own style rather than trying to copy El-B? Maybe El-B should have come up with his own style rather than tring to copy Wookie? Maybe Wookie should have come up with his own style rather than trying to copy Todd Edwards? Maybe the UK garage people shouldn't have been using jungle bass and vocal techniques?

Spot on.

[serox]

what is 'burial' style tbh?

The main thing that stands out to me that he did that was original (to me) was using really poor quality samples.

[Pedro Sánchez]

How you gonna learn anything if no one teaches you?. Were all your favorite producers born with the knowledge to program every kind of drum pattern, or knew exactly were to find them type of drum sounds. NO. People showed them. As vague as it is, I'm sure someone will find that tutorial a little helpful, more helpful than 'Stop trying to clone Burial' anyway.

[hurlingdervish]

How you gonna learn anything if no one teaches you?. Were all your favorite producers born with the knowledge to program every kind of drum pattern, or knew exactly were to find them type of drum sounds. NO. People showed them.

valid emotion, but you are very wrong about that assumption you won't learn anything without a teacher.
actually i would say that all of the best producers majorly taught themselves by listening to music all their life and experimenting

and i can promise you that no producer in the 90's had internet tutorials to back them up. Orbital didn't have a "Dummies Guide to Dreamy Electronica" book on hand.
Never doubt the power of intuition and experimentation

[cloak and dagger]

How you gonna learn anything if no one teaches you?. Were all your favorite producers born with the knowledge to program every kind of drum pattern, or knew exactly were to find them type of drum sounds. NO. People showed them.

valid emotion, but you are very wrong about that assumption you won't learn anything without a teacher.
actually i would say that all of the best producers majorly taught themselves by listening to music all their life and experimenting

and i can promise you that no producer in the 90's had internet tutorials to back them up. Orbital didn't have a "Dummies Guide to Dreamy Electronica" book on hand.
Never doubt the power of intuition and experimentation

Orbital was also more than one person. I'm self-taught, but I don't doubt for a minute that I would know way more about production if I had someone there to teach me or to work with.

[hurlingdervish]

How you gonna learn anything if no one teaches you?. Were all your favorite producers born with the knowledge to program every kind of drum pattern, or knew exactly were to find them type of drum sounds. NO. People showed them.

valid emotion, but you are very wrong about that assumption you won't learn anything without a teacher.
actually i would say that all of the best producers majorly taught themselves by listening to music all their life and experimenting

and i can promise you that no producer in the 90's had internet tutorials to back them up. Orbital didn't have a "Dummies Guide to Dreamy Electronica" book on hand.
Never doubt the power of intuition and experimentation

Orbital was also more than one person. I'm self-taught, but I don't doubt for a minute that I would know way more about production if I had someone there to teach me or to work with.

i know it was more than one person

never said teaching wasn't useful, nor should we stop giving advice here, but people shouldn't be under the impression that teaching will solve all their production problems

its much better to teach technical things about the program/synth/music/rhythm

[mico viejo]

learning and copying are not necessarily the same thing.

i have learnt to play the guitar. but i never bothered learning how 2 play anybody elses songs, i just wrote my own. but if anyone asked i couldnt play a single tune by someone else from start to finish.

i have learnt to produce elecrtronic music. but i have never reconstructed someone elses electronic music in the name of learning. ive just made my own.

not saying i havent been influenced by, stolen ideas from, or been inspired by other ppl, but that ive usually kept that influence as something i just absorbed naturally, rather than going out of my way to emulate.

if toys want 2 copy cos they think they will learn quicker, then thats fine by me. maybe they even will. but if yr music is generic sounding, and still after several years of producing no one gives it any more praise than just "its professionally done" then dont b surprised.

and tbh copying aint that bad. when u r copying soemthign from another genre. but sitting down to make a dubstep tune and ripping off other dubstep tunes is not likely to lead anywhere particularly interesting.

okay, so u love 2 step, fine, so make it in yr own way. burial is not 2step in the classic sense, so how come almsot everyone who says they make 2step now actually ends up sounding suspiciously like burial? had any of u ever even heard 2step b4 he came along and made it fashionable? have u even heard any original 2step garage now? u could go so many directions with 2step, so if u r not setting out to copy burial wtf do u need to go and put some rain under yr beats for? i certainly never heard any rain under any of the classic garage tunes from back in the day so dont say u r just running a style...

anyway hurlingdervish, u r more than holdign yr ground on yr own...i'll leave u to it.

[deadly_habit]

trying to clone someone minus asking for a step by step is a great learning experience period
same goes for deconstructing a preset

[Pedro Sánchez]

How you gonna learn anything if no one teaches you?. Were all your favorite producers born with the knowledge to program every kind of drum pattern, or knew exactly were to find them type of drum sounds. NO. People showed them.

valid emotion, but you are very wrong about that assumption you won't learn anything without a teacher.
actually i would say that all of the best producers majorly taught themselves by listening to music all their life and experimenting

and i can promise you that no producer in the 90's had internet tutorials to back them up. Orbital didn't have a "Dummies Guide to Dreamy Electronica" book on hand.
Never doubt the power of intuition and experimentation

My point was probably written badly, I didn't mean just taught on a one to one basis, I meant the information was provided by someone else in some way whether it be books, magazines or TV interviews. You can only listen and experiment after you know the basics of what goes into a production (techniques and resources needed) or you wouldn't know where to start... How did those 90's producers know what gear to buy to produce the music like their favorite producers? Them 90's producers just knew a 808 existed and it made them specific drum sounds, No. Someone tipped them off,they researched it by reading magazines or seen it being used it on TV. I know what you mean though, there were less shortcuts back them and you had to knuckle down and had a steep leaning curve because of the lack of information available but I can guarantee they were still taught the basics in some shape or form.

[deadly_habit]

How you gonna learn anything if no one teaches you?. Were all your favorite producers born with the knowledge to program every kind of drum pattern, or knew exactly were to find them type of drum sounds. NO. People showed them.

valid emotion, but you are very wrong about that assumption you won't learn anything without a teacher.
actually i would say that all of the best producers majorly taught themselves by listening to music all their life and experimenting

and i can promise you that no producer in the 90's had internet tutorials to back them up. Orbital didn't have a "Dummies Guide to Dreamy Electronica" book on hand.
Never doubt the power of intuition and experimentation

My point was probably written badly, I didn't mean just taught on a one to one basis, I meant the information was provided by someone else in some way whether it be books, magazines or TV interviews. You can only listen and experiment after you know the basics of what goes into a production (techniques and resources needed) or you wouldn't know where to start... How did those 90's producers know what gear to buy to produce the music like their favorite producers? Them 90's producers just knew a 808 existed and it made them specific drum sounds, No. Someone tipped them off,they researched it by reading magazines or seen it being used it on TV. I know what you mean though, there were less shortcuts back them and you had to knuckle down and had a steep leaning curve because of the lack of information available but I can guarantee they were still taught the basics in some shape or form.

actually being a 90s producer i can say that most of the shit found was random and thru experimenting
there was no real network or mags back then cluing us in, least not stateside when i was like 13
we just heard a sound, sampled or tried to recreate then brought it into edm

[hurlingdervish]

My point was probably written badly, I didn't mean just taught on a one to one basis, I meant the information was provided by someone else in some way whether it be books, magazines or TV interviews. You can only listen and experiment after you know the basics of what goes into a production (techniques and resources needed) or you wouldn't know where to start... How did those 90's producers know what gear to buy to produce the music like their favorite producers? Them 90's producers just knew a 808 existed and it made them specific drum sounds, No. Someone tipped them off,they researched it by reading magazines or seen it being used it on TV. I know what you mean though, there were less shortcuts back them and you had to knuckle down and had a steep leaning curve because of the lack of information available but I can guarantee they were still taught the basics in some shape or form.

actually being a 90s producer i can say that most of the shit found was random and thru experimenting
there was no real network or mags back then cluing us in, least not stateside when i was like 13
we just heard a sound, sampled or tried to recreate then brought it into edm

^^^^^
this man knows.
take heed.
Never doubt the power of intuition and experimentation

[Pedro Sánchez]

So what is the point of this forum section if we should all have the ability to acquire knowledge randomly and through experimentation?

actually being a 90s producer i can say that most of the shit found was random and thru experimenting
there was no real network or mags back then cluing us in, least not stateside when i was like 13
we just heard a sound, sampled or tried to recreate then brought it into edm

How did you know you needed a sampler, what sampler to get or what a sampler did in the first place? You must of been looking for this information and lo and behold this information existed and you used it. Had it not been available you would of been scratching your head.

Everyone is here to give knowledge on production or to receive knowledge. The same as that tutorial intended.

[hurlingdervish]

So what is the point of this forum section if we should all have the ability to acquire knowledge randomly and through experimentation?

nah see thats where the confusion lies

there are much more technical issues with programs and synths now a days that people would be glad to help you out with
once you learn a bit a bout ableton for example, i could tell you tricks and tips for days without pointing to a specific style

also people would be glad to help you out with other things like rhythm, chord progressions, notes, how to train your ear, how to finish a song, mixing, levels, djing etc etc

theres plenty to give and advice and learn about before taking aim at a specifc style or by making an all encompassing "DuBsteP tuTuRiaL"

know what I am saying?

no one is trying to be negative or shun you away, though some people will joke about it