Will dubstep split into new genres?

[joe muggs]

Yeah, I shouldn't have put the word "split" in the thread title

I'm not asking for accurate predictions, I'm just saying use your imagination, go wild, imagine you're writing a science fiction set in 10 years, what music will be being made by people that grew up on dubstep 2009 style?

[Be-1ne]

hmm, again, this is about the 'next step' so to speak. Just want some idea's about what might come after dubstep, not fucking genre splits ffs lol

gimme a break i just woke up

Evolution I think will come in the form of a new version of Albino from Rob Papen and Reason Version 5. J/K

I predict it all going minimal with a slithering of ambient, song structures so you have to actually play a tune and not just the first half due to the 2nd being identical. Progressive pieces of music that stand out as much on their own as they do in a mix. A more emotive style in the remits of trance but not in a 4/4 rhythm.

[drokkr]

There are already various styles, if the phrase sub genre gets used so be it. The only people that will bring about the "split" (at nights) will be the DJs in the clubs. Pretty much every Dubstep night I have gone to over the past few years has had DJs that swing in and out of styles throughout their sets. As a genre, Dubstep lends itself to this very well. I think this a big part of it's success in a club. Of course there is bass weight, I hardly need to mention that, but it is the freshness the music bring to peoples ears. Any DJ worth his weight knows this.

The moment selections start staying inside a certain style or DJs start playing it a little too safe is when a split will come about but not within the music but with the punters and the dancefloor. Some of the best nights I have had have been spent on the dancefloor going to myself - "What the fuck is this? What's he going to play next?" Nothing better than a DJ dropping something from out of nowhere...

Dubstep is in a very interesting place at the moment I think, it's going to be a very good and surprising next 12 months.

[seckle]

i know what joe is saying, i'm just using dnb as near example, because there's a lot to learn from how that genre developed and mutated.

[deamonds]

the emotional remits of trance sounds intriguing, it's just the word trance that makes me wince. But that does sound good.

I would like to see more producers make tunes where the drum line will switch up to completely different samples & beat pattern halfway through, as well as tempo switchups. A latin influence on the 'next step' would be cool too!

Again though, this isnt a thread about the proposed & wealthily discussed 'sub genre's' of dubstep, it's about the 'next step' NOT DUBSTEP lol

@seckle yes, that is a fair point, it just seemed like a bit of a jaded reaction to his opener. Although I see what you mean, although garage strived through people catagorizing it! It's just the violence in the clubs and the MC culture which made the a* producer's stop making it.

[drokkr]

there's a lot to learn from how that genre developed and mutated.

This is very true.

Dubstep has made amazing use of the internet probably unlike any genre before it. I think this has been a major factor in the development and mutation of it. This has helped things move at such a high pace. Some people may not like it and what has been is doing but this is the age we live in. In terms of development and expansion would it be fair to say that Dubstep is digital? I don't mean vinyl vs Serato either.

So many styles now that, I for one, would not know about except for the internet. Magazines move too slowly, FM radio is not as important as it was and the majority of record shops have not got a hope of keeping up. This development and mutation seems almost out of control to me already. All we need is someone, which has been done in the past more than once, to print or post a new genre name and the music cycle will start again. We must remember that music goes in circles and Dubstep is no different.

[Be-1ne]

I did have to avert my eyes when i wrote the word "t****e"

[seckle]

there's a lot to learn from how that genre developed and mutated.

This is very true.

Dubstep has made amazing use of the internet probably unlike any genre before it. I think this has been a major factor in the development and mutation of it. This has helped things move at such a high pace. Some people may not like it and what has been is doing but this is the age we live in. In terms of development and expansion would it be fair to say that Dubstep is digital? I don't mean vinyl vs Serato either.

Some many styles now that, I for one, would not know about except for the internet. Magazines move too slowly, FM radio is not as important as it was and the majority of record shops have not got a hope of keeping up. This development and mutation seems almost out of control to me already. All we need is someone, which has been done in the past more than once, to print or post a new genre name and the music cycle will start again. We must remember that music goes in circles and Dubstep is no different.

imo, the start of dubstep, 2step and garage all came through during the infancy of the myspace/facebook/itunes/ipod world that we live in now. if horsepower had dropped in 2005 instead of 2000-2001, it would've been a huge difference. forums only started being heavily used and stable around 2001-2002. before that it was mailing list sites, with enormous 200 page discussions (who remembers the aphex/idm list?)

i agree that no one controls anything these days. especially with twitter, making it even harder for any journalist to have anything exclusive to write about. its changed the whole face of music marketing.

[chainsawclownstyle]

FWIW, people clutching this to their chest and disallowing progression and expansion upon the ideals from whenst we came are the major problem.

There are still good DnB tunes coming out, and if anything Dubstep has influenced a lot of those tunes. Drum n Bass has given us some producers with brilliant production ability that they learned sitting in the grid trying to be Noisia for the last 10 years. It's important to never forget where we came from, but not at the expense of failing to get where we're going. We might not all have the same destination but we have a shared history.

If you want to see a dead genre, I suggest you all take a look at Techno. All of the best Dubstep coming out nowadays is influenced in some way by Techno. Even the harder Reese filled Dubstep wouldn't exist without Kevin Saunderson and his influences on music. What about LFO?

Look how far Techno has come. We're sitting here calling it Dubstep now. Next month, who knows. We're calling Housey Garage Breaks "Funky." Post Dubstep, Post Garage, Post House, Post Techno, Post DnB, Post Breaks, Post Trance.

What about Post Genre? How many DJs at DMZ, FWD, Dubwar, Smog, Surefire, etc. are truly bending genres? When someone posted that "Dream Lineup" thread how many of the dream lineups included a House DJ, or a Techno DJ, or a Trance DJ?

The truth of the matter is that for all the lip service we play toward variation and bending genres, we all form our own little cliques and niches. When Brackles played at Dubwar, there wasn't a single DJ playing "brostep." When the thread about brostep came about, Seckle was talking about how passe it was and how it was disposable music. He wasn't talking about how it was good in small doses amidst varying degrees of Dubwise, 130-150 bpm dance music.

People like what they like and that is almost certainly true in most cases. I have broad tastes myself, but I'm not about to pretend that I want to go to a club and see Shackleton and Caspa on the same flyer. There wouldn't be the kind of vibe that would form a cohesive mood for the entire crowd throughout the night, which is on the whole more important than spreading the genre around. Sometimes it's just not possible to have a solid vibe when you bounce from one thing to another.

I think at a certain point we need to admit to ourselves and each other that it's not the same thing, but that certain elements may be the same. If all we have in common is a love for a Subwoofer, that is perfectly fine. That doesn't mean we can't co-habitate on this forum and proclaim our love for "bass music."

[deamonds]

post genre, i like it!!

[seckle]

The truth of the matter is that for all the lip service we play toward variation and bending genres, we all form our own little cliques and niches. When Brackles played at Dubwar, there wasn't a single DJ playing "brostep." When the thread about brostep came about, Seckle was talking about how passe it was and how it was disposable music. He wasn't talking about how it was good in small doses amidst varying degrees of Dubwise, 130-150 bpm dance music.

sorry but it sucks even in small doses. if more than 50 producers are making music that sounds the same, with the same structures, same built in expectations, same dynamics, yes....its disposable music, because there's nothing to separate one producer from another. its disposable because its a formula. people were so transfixed by the brostep name, when all that thread was really about was rallying against connect-the-dots thinking. you know....everyone following each other down the same creative road just because its safe. this whole sound is where its at today because of progression, and not playing into formulas.

[chainsawclownstyle]

The truth of the matter is that for all the lip service we play toward variation and bending genres, we all form our own little cliques and niches. When Brackles played at Dubwar, there wasn't a single DJ playing "brostep." When the thread about brostep came about, Seckle was talking about how passe it was and how it was disposable music. He wasn't talking about how it was good in small doses amidst varying degrees of Dubwise, 130-150 bpm dance music.

sorry but it sucks even in small doses. if more than 50 producers are making music that sounds the same, with the same structures, same built in expectations, same dynamics, yes....its disposable music, because there's nothing to separate one producer from another. its disposable because its a formula. people were so transfixed by the brostep name, when all that thread was really about was rallying against connect-the-dots thinking. you know....everyone following each other down the same creative road just because its safe. this whole sound is where its at today because of progression, and not playing into formulas.

You mean like an entire night of people playing Funky Garage at Dubwar(looked like a really fun night btw)?

The whole sound is here because a lot of people started making things that sounded similar. How else is a genre born, if not for people playing and producing a sound similar enough to be called a specific name? Dubstep is just garage then. Garage is just House music. House music is just Techno. Techno is just Italo Disco. Italo Disco is just a bunch of American black middle class Detroit Youth playing their parents Disco records. Disco records are just...

You don't like it. That doesn't mean they aren't doing their own thing. Most of it doesn't sound nearly the same at all. There is good and bad, just like the shit you listen to. Just like the shit I listen to. Would it surprise you to hear that people who like that sound, like it because it doesn't sound exactly the same, just like all of the stuff you listen to? It shouldn't. It's called taste. We all have different ones. At some points they intersect, while in other points they don't. So we sit back and judge each other harshly because it is different.

Genre's are the new racial tension for 2009.

[dr morgan]

Dubstep will evolve as London evolves. When the vibe in London is happier the music is happier and funkier and when the mood in London is darker the music reflects this by being darker, deeper.

[drokkr]

Dubstep will evolve as London evolves. When the vibe in London is happier the music is happier and funkier and when the mood in London is darker the music reflects this by being darker, deeper.

It's not a London thing anymore...

[chainsawclownstyle]

Dubstep will evolve as London evolves. When the vibe in London is happier the music is happier and funkier and when the mood in London is darker the music reflects this by being darker, deeper.

It's not a London thing anymore...

There's Dubstep outside of London?

Name one Irish dubstep producer

[dr morgan]

True. Dubstep is now a worldwide thing but i believe 4 me thats its stil truely a London sound and the only major changes or evolutions of the sound will come from is home in London.

[deamonds]

seckle, I will make a point in saying that, a sweeping generalization such as

if more than 50 producers are making music that sounds the same, with the same structures, same built in expectations, same dynamics, yes....its disposable music

is fucking rubbish mate. House has been doing it for years and still continues to mutate & innovate. Obviously that statement was about the midrange wobble/drum & waste, which in that exception is completely correct. But other than those two genre's, (and maybe more if some people follow them & think that about them) that just doesnt apply.

[seckle]

The truth of the matter is that for all the lip service we play toward variation and bending genres, we all form our own little cliques and niches. When Brackles played at Dubwar, there wasn't a single DJ playing "brostep." When the thread about brostep came about, Seckle was talking about how passe it was and how it was disposable music. He wasn't talking about how it was good in small doses amidst varying degrees of Dubwise, 130-150 bpm dance music.

sorry but it sucks even in small doses. if more than 50 producers are making music that sounds the same, with the same structures, same built in expectations, same dynamics, yes....its disposable music, because there's nothing to separate one producer from another. its disposable because its a formula. people were so transfixed by the brostep name, when all that thread was really about was rallying against connect-the-dots thinking. you know....everyone following each other down the same creative road just because its safe. this whole sound is where its at today because of progression, and not playing into formulas.

You mean like an entire night of people playing Funky Garage at Dubwar(looked like a really fun night btw)?

The whole sound is here because a lot of people started making things that sounded similar. How else is a genre born, if not for people playing and producing a sound similar enough to be called a specific name? Dubstep is just garage then. Garage is just House music. House music is just Techno. Techno is just Italo Disco. Italo Disco is just a bunch of American black middle class Detroit Youth playing their parents Disco records. Disco records are just...

You don't like it. That doesn't mean they aren't doing their own thing. Most of it doesn't sound nearly the same at all. There is good and bad, just like the shit you listen to. Just like the shit I listen to. Would it surprise you to hear that people who like that sound, like it because it doesn't sound exactly the same, just like all of the stuff you listen to? It shouldn't. It's called taste. We all have different ones. At some points they intersect, while in other points they don't. So we sit back and judge each other harshly because it is different.

Genre's are the new racial tension for 2009.

again, most of it does sound the same, and yes i don't like it. i listen to a lot of radio shows where its predominant too just to keep listening, so i'm not just saying it to be divisive. anyway, this isn't about brostep here, so lets not go down that road and derail this thread, when you can discuss it in full in the 25 pager.

what joe wants to know is "do you think it will split?" so?

[deamonds]

but then again, by disposable, if you mean tracks that are DJ tools/DJ Friendly and not for "home listening" or continual album playback (e.g. Burial - "Burial/Untrue" ) then yes I would agree, most tracks in genre's are disposable (as in, they only sound good in a club atmospheric and are played for a short time in the mix) however, the word disposable, just sounds like a bit of a cynical way to describe such tunes.

[chainsawclownstyle]

again, most of it does sound the same, and yes i don't like it. i listen to a lot of radio shows where its predominant too just to keep listening, so i'm not just saying it to be divisive. anyway, this isn't about brostep here, so lets not go down that road and derail this thread, when you can discuss it in full in the 25 pager.

what joe wants to know is "do you think it will split?" so?

Do you think Garage will split?

There is your answer. It already has split. When you can identify a sound that you do not like within a movement, there is obviously a movement to extract themselves from a specific sound. For instance, one could argue that grime or American Hip Hop or Techno are a response to outside stimulii, such as social class or financial factors. Maybe it is a response to the state of music. Maybe it is a response to the posturing of certain persons within a genre of music.

What makes one artist Dubstep and another "Brostep" is quite obviously in the eye of the beholder. But it already has split. There are people who are obviously using their music to make a statement about how uptight people are. You don't like a particular sound. Someone jokingly gave it a name and it stuck. No turning back. It's there. Someone gave garage/house influenced Dubstep a new name. It stuck. No turning back. From now on it's Funky, Brostep, Wonky, whatever. I'm not going to respond to the 25 page thread because it will get nowhere and because my response is for this thread in particular.

Dubstep came from people who looked at Garage and didn't like what they heard. They flipped it in their own style. No doubt there was a Seckle or two within garage that didn't like what they were doing, but tough shit. Today garage is a fleeting memory for most people, which is why they think it's something new when it pops up today with a new name. 10 years from now people will be making Dubstep under a new name. Hell, they already are. Embrace it or don't, it's up to you. It's not up to you or me that it happens though, we can't stop it.