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by plastician » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:35 pm
(Pada) wrote:The "people dance to it therefore it's good" thing doesn't strike with me, no disrespect plastician you as a DJ actually got me into dubstep, if it wasn't for you I wouldn't be here!
Kode 9: I suppose over the last couple of years I’ve been interested in … don’t release the tension until it’s worth releasing. I’ve enjoyed DJ sets recently where the tension just swells and swells and swells, and don’t allow a release… until.. you’re allowed two or three releases in the whole set. But you’re not just climaxing every two seconds. Because that’s not a climax, that’s just deflation, every two or three seconds. It’s just irritating to be honest, stop start. It’s simple for me, I like dark rooms, I like to be in complete darkness when I play, I like that feeling of intimacy in a room, it doesn’t matter how big the room is, but when it’s dark, and you’re not stopping and starting all the time, you build up this tense energy in the room that makes quite an intimate situation, and makes everyone really sensitive to what’s going on. Whereas if it’s all beer bottles in the air and shouting every three minutres because someone’s just rewound the tune, and moshpits, which is quite common in dubstep these days. I don’t find that particularly intimate.
Thats the thing I'm talking about. That is why I don't like C&S, because it's music made clearly just for effect, but it's quite often played all night and it loses that effect. Eastern Jam is actually a big tune, but it's not a big tune if it's played straight after spongebob and bar9. 1 really hype tune an hour at a night is fucking perfect I aint gonna walk of the dance-floor because if the DJs have been building tension up and then drop a big tune at the end then it was worth releasing that tension. Only time I ever been to FWD I seen two amazing DJ sets, Benny Ill played Eyez, Level 9, His new tunes and stuff like that for 50 mins then played one of them Coki tunes (one of the spongebob like ones - maybe was spongebob i'm not too sure) and after all that time playing dark, minimal stuff it really worked but if he had played Brostep all set and then finished with that tuen it wouldn't have had an effect (on me!). Same with geeneus, played Deep/Tech house (whcih i'm not a super fan off but it was still good) for an hour then ended with Proxy - Raven (a kinda Crack/Fidget house tune) and it really had a devastating effect for me.
In contrast Skream (no disrespect seriously one of my favourite producers and radio show is mint!) played when I look at you and rewound it, and played What are you looking at? etc. the crowd loved it, sure, but I personally wasn't feeling it as much. The thing is more people might like it - but there are still enough people who don't to warrant nights without that kind of stuff being played. A few years ago this kind of dubstep didn't really exist and so a night was full of good music with the occasional peak (Haunted. Glamma etc.) where as now it's brostep all night which really grates that is why people are complaining, I think. It may appeal to more people, but it's alienating some dubstep fans which is why people are upset.
I hear that and don't get me wrong I'm all about the intimate dark venues as well, but its good to mix that up with playing to large audiences too. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
I'm sure if C&S played at plastic people they'd smack it.
Same ways a lot of DJ's do stick purely to the jump up. Every good DJ set has peaks and troughs, it is still possible to play an hour set full of amazing tracks that are not all bangers.
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by maksim » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:44 pm
2ndBass wrote:i'm gunna eat my own shit

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by Pistonsbeneath » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:54 pm
but this isn't necessarily about variety plastician...
I do like some wobbly tunes as well as deep and skullstep tunes...
i just find their stuff disappoints me in terms of what i'm looking for....i liked their early 12"s as stated earlier as they seemed to be from a different place...
who ever said dancefloor oriented masses stuff HAD to be lowest common denominator and deep strong rich vibes led tunes has to always be credible...it's just not the case...
each to their own i say and allow people giving their opinion on the net
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by Pull a face » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:28 am
this makes me want to interview Westwood really hard in the face
with a cricket bat
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by screech » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:28 pm
This has been deleted from everywhere. Can anyone say conspiracy?

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by Xavy » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:36 pm
i want to see this; youtube is chattin something about it being a 'private video.'
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Shift Recordings
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by Shift Recordings » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:39 pm
i ripped the audio for a tune Im doin, hehe...
Lukki - "Its only Dubstep" coming soon

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by spiderman » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:14 pm
Xavy wrote:i want to see this; youtube is chattin something about it being a 'private video.'
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by tylerblue » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:51 pm
Shift Recordings wrote:i ripped the audio for a tune Im doin, hehe...
Lukki - "Its only Dubstep" coming soon

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by boyd » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:57 pm
(Pada) wrote:The "people dance to it therefore it's good" thing doesn't strike with me, no disrespect plastician you as a DJ actually got me into dubstep, if it wasn't for you I wouldn't be here!
Kode 9: I suppose over the last couple of years I’ve been interested in … don’t release the tension until it’s worth releasing. I’ve enjoyed DJ sets recently where the tension just swells and swells and swells, and don’t allow a release… until.. you’re allowed two or three releases in the whole set. But you’re not just climaxing every two seconds. Because that’s not a climax, that’s just deflation, every two or three seconds. It’s just irritating to be honest, stop start. It’s simple for me, I like dark rooms, I like to be in complete darkness when I play, I like that feeling of intimacy in a room, it doesn’t matter how big the room is, but when it’s dark, and you’re not stopping and starting all the time, you build up this tense energy in the room that makes quite an intimate situation, and makes everyone really sensitive to what’s going on. Whereas if it’s all beer bottles in the air and shouting every three minutres because someone’s just rewound the tune, and moshpits, which is quite common in dubstep these days. I don’t find that particularly intimate.
Thats the thing I'm talking about. That is why I don't like C&S, because it's music made clearly just for effect, but it's quite often played all night and it loses that effect. Eastern Jam is actually a big tune, but it's not a big tune if it's played straight after spongebob and bar9. 1 really hype tune an hour at a night is fucking perfect I aint gonna walk of the dance-floor because if the DJs have been building tension up and then drop a big tune at the end then it was worth releasing that tension. Only time I ever been to FWD I seen two amazing DJ sets, Benny Ill played Eyez, Level 9, His new tunes and stuff like that for 50 mins then played one of them Coki tunes (one of the spongebob like ones - maybe was spongebob i'm not too sure) and after all that time playing dark, minimal stuff it really worked but if he had played Brostep all set and then finished with that tuen it wouldn't have had an effect (on me!). Same with geeneus, played Deep/Tech house (whcih i'm not a super fan off but it was still good) for an hour then ended with Proxy - Raven (a kinda Crack/Fidget house tune) and it really had a devastating effect for me.
In contrast Skream (no disrespect seriously one of my favourite producers and radio show is mint!) played when I look at you and rewound it, and played What are you looking at? etc. the crowd loved it, sure, but I personally wasn't feeling it as much. The thing is more people might like it - but there are still enough people who don't to warrant nights without that kind of stuff being played. A few years ago this kind of dubstep didn't really exist and so a night was full of good music with the occasional peak (Haunted. Glamma etc.) where as now it's brostep all night which really grates that is why people are complaining, I think. It may appeal to more people, but it's alienating some dubstep fans which is why people are upset.
Agree with all of this mate. The Kode 9 quote just says it all really.
It is a shame that your average dubstep set is now just full of repetitive, unoriginal jump-up tunes that sound like the other bazillion jumpup tunes being made. But the fact is it's more obviously danceable and enjoyable for people that aren't too into the 'music' like a lot of the people on here are.
There's no point getting too upset about it anyway. Luckily there's a lot of music I love still coming out of this scene, so I don't really care! Just slightly harder to find and smaller scale, but that's not a bad thing anyway.
Only annoying thing I find is that people will still go nuts to a set that isn't relentless wobble and rewinds, and does build in the way Kode 9 describes - some dj's I expect more of don't seem to get this and I end up dissapointed, but what can you do!
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by dubloke » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:09 am
whys it private? my name is Jeeeerbs on youtube, can you allow me to see it please

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by aleksi » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:32 pm
this has been removed from tinternetz, anyone been able to find it?
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by cutslade » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:23 pm
this is a forbidden video! the elders of the wobble and the elders of te internet both proclaimed that it's blasphemous!
thou shall NOT see the forbidtten viddeoOOO!!

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by bagelator » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:30 pm
why has this vieo been removed from the internet?
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by spiderman » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:04 am
(Pada) wrote:The "people dance to it therefore it's good" thing doesn't strike with me, no disrespect plastician you as a DJ actually got me into dubstep, if it wasn't for you I wouldn't be here!
Kode 9: I suppose over the last couple of years I’ve been interested in … don’t release the tension until it’s worth releasing. I’ve enjoyed DJ sets recently where the tension just swells and swells and swells, and don’t allow a release… until.. you’re allowed two or three releases in the whole set. But you’re not just climaxing every two seconds. Because that’s not a climax, that’s just deflation, every two or three seconds. It’s just irritating to be honest, stop start. It’s simple for me, I like dark rooms, I like to be in complete darkness when I play, I like that feeling of intimacy in a room, it doesn’t matter how big the room is, but when it’s dark, and you’re not stopping and starting all the time, you build up this tense energy in the room that makes quite an intimate situation, and makes everyone really sensitive to what’s going on. Whereas if it’s all beer bottles in the air and shouting every three minutres because someone’s just rewound the tune, and moshpits, which is quite common in dubstep these days. I don’t find that particularly intimate.
Thats the thing I'm talking about. That is why I don't like C&S, because it's music made clearly just for effect, but it's quite often played all night and it loses that effect. Eastern Jam is actually a big tune, but it's not a big tune if it's played straight after spongebob and bar9. 1 really hype tune an hour at a night is fucking perfect I aint gonna walk of the dance-floor because if the DJs have been building tension up and then drop a big tune at the end then it was worth releasing that tension. Only time I ever been to FWD I seen two amazing DJ sets, Benny Ill played Eyez, Level 9, His new tunes and stuff like that for 50 mins then played one of them Coki tunes (one of the spongebob like ones - maybe was spongebob i'm not too sure) and after all that time playing dark, minimal stuff it really worked but if he had played Brostep all set and then finished with that tuen it wouldn't have had an effect (on me!). Same with geeneus, played Deep/Tech house (whcih i'm not a super fan off but it was still good) for an hour then ended with Proxy - Raven (a kinda Crack/Fidget house tune) and it really had a devastating effect for me.
In contrast Skream (no disrespect seriously one of my favourite producers and radio show is mint!) played when I look at you and rewound it, and played What are you looking at? etc. the crowd loved it, sure, but I personally wasn't feeling it as much. The thing is more people might like it - but there are still enough people who don't to warrant nights without that kind of stuff being played. A few years ago this kind of dubstep didn't really exist and so a night was full of good music with the occasional peak (Haunted. Glamma etc.) where as now it's brostep all night which really grates that is why people are complaining, I think. It may appeal to more people, but it's alienating some dubstep fans which is why people are upset.
ye it definately gives the set a different feel when its built up properly. people get to enjoy certain tunes more so than they normally would.
it is a bit of a shame that sometimes this gets compramised now a days as sets can end up filled with all kinds of wobble in random places but i guess it can keep the crowd dancing and appeals to the masses so its got its benefits.
i find if i want the kind of listenin experience kode 9 is talking about i'll just play around on the decks to myself, and i'll lean towards a more progressive set that caters to my tastes and builds up.
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by busker » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:36 pm
lol @ the groans at "mistajam dubstep rave"
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by bagelator » Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:30 pm
quite funny. westwood is like the uncle dickhead that peter kay talks about
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by trench » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:19 pm
blah blah blah, i hate this kind of dubstep... blah blah blah i hate that kind of dubstep. At least you guys keep all the post on this message board centered on the same topic. I hate to have something new to read.
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by spiderman » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:35 pm
lol big up wastewood. he gives me jokes, he is acting like its primary school and hes cool and their lame cos they make different music to him.

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