Friendly Adivce to ALL Producers (Structures)

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:11 pm

it's probably best to leave speed changes to the DJ
that's why they have "pitch control"

could be a useful bridging tune though ...dubstep to whitelines/rockit in 5 minutes

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:16 pm

flipw wrote:it's probably best to leave speed changes to the DJ
that's why they have "pitch control"

could be a useful bridging tune though ...dubstep to whitelines/rockit in 5 minutes

Nah, I think the choons should slowly fluctuate in speed, so the DJ has to keep riding the pitch adjustment throughout the mix. Gives the lazy buggers something to do...

White Lines? Pah! In yer Face!

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:23 pm

two oh one wrote:
flipw wrote:it's probably best to leave speed changes to the DJ
that's why they have "pitch control"

could be a useful bridging tune though ...dubstep to whitelines/rockit in 5 minutes

Nah, I think the choons should slowly fluctuate in speed, so the DJ has to keep riding the pitch adjustment throughout the mix. Gives the lazy buggers something to do...

White Lines? Pah! In yer Face!

ok a bit off wow and flutter keeps em on their toes for sure

I like In yer face. Big drop but....it was the theme tune to the Word...

aaaah the 80's :vice:

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:51 am

ekaj wrote:I used to hate doing this but now I do it even if the track is not meant to be mixed.. can't help it now.
I think it's good to make tracks DJ friendly anyway.. and I had another point but it's gone so I'll stop typing

completely agree, look at Skream and Benga tunes - so easy to mix! yet so good!

Although Punisher by Pinch has a little 4 bar interlude just before it drops, pretty much forcing you to let it drop on its own, but lets face it with that tune its perfect!

t-woc · Post by **t-woc** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:24 pm

Deapoh wrote:
You gotta remember your making the tune for the DJ

are we?

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:39 pm

two oh one wrote:Nah, I think the choons should slowly fluctuate in speed, so the DJ has to keep riding the pitch adjustment throughout the mix. Gives the lazy buggers something to do...

They've got things to do - drink, do cheeky lines and make sexy talk to ladies. Isn't that enough - do you want them to juggle ashtrays too?

You people want the moon on a stick

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:02 pm

t-woc wrote:
Deapoh wrote:
You gotta remember your making the tune for the DJ
are we?

If you want it heard

paul updat · Post by **paul updat** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:59 pm

Why are there people posting pointless comments in an interesting and helpful thread???

Waste.

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:58 pm

Paul Updat wrote:Why are there people posting pointless comments in an interesting and helpful thread???

Waste.

/agree

like i said earlier, if your making 'dubstep' which is played out by 'djs' then maybe you should make a tune that a dj wants to play....?

otherwise throw together a live set or make yerself a reaktor ensemble and go the tim exile way...

t-woc · Post by **t-woc** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:43 pm

well i suppose what i meant was that does every dubstep tune you make have to be made for djs? or do you make some that are just good tunes that have the dubstep sound that may not be like, the right tempo or heavy enough or have a tempo change or whatver that would make it difficult for a dj to fit in a mix. people do listen to music outside clubs as well

paul updat · Post by **paul updat** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:58 pm

t-woc wrote:well i suppose what i meant was that does every dubstep tune you make have to be made for djs? or do you make some that are just good tunes that have the dubstep sound that may not be like, the right tempo or heavy enough or have a tempo change or whatver that would make it difficult for a dj to fit in a mix. people do listen to music outside clubs as well

I wouldn't think anyone makes tunes for a DJ, you make them for you innit.

But make what the fuck you want. It's just if you want your music to get some airplay and recieve more listeners it usually needs to follow a standard structure.

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:16 pm

Paul Updat wrote:
t-woc wrote:well i suppose what i meant was that does every dubstep tune you make have to be made for djs? or do you make some that are just good tunes that have the dubstep sound that may not be like, the right tempo or heavy enough or have a tempo change or whatver that would make it difficult for a dj to fit in a mix. people do listen to music outside clubs as well
I wouldn't think anyone makes tunes for a DJ, you make them for you innit.

But make what the fuck you want. It's just if you want your music to get some airplay and recieve more listeners it usually needs to follow a standard structure.

yeah, this is what i meant to say.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:57 pm

It's like everything else. Either it's DJ friendly, or it's artsy fartsy randomness.

You can always do 2 versions: Beard tugger and head bobber mixes.

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:24 pm

Paul Updat wrote:
t-woc wrote:well i suppose what i meant was that does every dubstep tune you make have to be made for djs? or do you make some that are just good tunes that have the dubstep sound that may not be like, the right tempo or heavy enough or have a tempo change or whatver that would make it difficult for a dj to fit in a mix. people do listen to music outside clubs as well
I wouldn't think anyone makes tunes for a DJ, you make them for you innit.

But make what the fuck you want. It's just if you want your music to get some airplay and recieve more listeners it usually needs to follow a standard structure.

what about a DJ making tunes for himself?

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:43 pm

it is a big question though...

...why do producers make tunes?

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:57 pm

Probably everyone has there own reason, just whatever motivates them

rybread · Post by **rybread** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:12 am

LUCKY_STRIKE wrote:
SHNYDE wrote:I've sketched out a template project to use each time i start a new tune (using colours and working out the number of bars etc.) and with all your VSTs/effects and that ready loaded

Helps when you're actually writing the tune as sometimes you can get carried away/not make sections long enough.

i have a template project also. best way to work.

Some of you guys said you start every track with a laid out formula. what is it? Is it like 4 bar intro, 8 bar verse, 2 bar transition, 8 bar chorus?

why don't you expand for the kids (me) who can't afford to learn to DJ. Maybe even a diagram. Sorry, I'm just not getting what is going down.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:29 am

two oh one wrote:
Nah, I think the choons should slowly fluctuate in speed, so the DJ has to keep riding the pitch adjustment throughout the mix. Gives the lazy buggers something to do...

**chuckle**

mushug · Post by **mushug** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:10 am

i've always thought about the dj adapting to the tunes instead the tunes adapting to the dj...
not trying to take the piss... but are we talking about tunes or dj tools for lazy djs??
imho it's all about doing what you feel... there's some really fucked tunes with some really fucked up structures that sound heavy.

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:08 am

mushug wrote:i've always thought about the dj adapting to the tunes instead the tunes adapting to the dj...
not trying to take the piss... but are we talking about tunes or dj tools for lazy djs??
imho it's all about doing what you feel... there's some really fucked tunes with some really fucked up structures that sound heavy.

datt is true but garage, dubstep and grime basically have a form that make it regonisable as what it is. u can't come in with some 3/6/12/24bar beat structure on a 110 BMP tip and expect to be called garage.
find creativity in other ways. otherwise ur jus beggin it.

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