Friendly Adivce to ALL Producers (Structures)

paul updat · Post by **paul updat** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:15 pm

flipw wrote:
Paul Updat wrote:
t-woc wrote:well i suppose what i meant was that does every dubstep tune you make have to be made for djs? or do you make some that are just good tunes that have the dubstep sound that may not be like, the right tempo or heavy enough or have a tempo change or whatver that would make it difficult for a dj to fit in a mix. people do listen to music outside clubs as well
I wouldn't think anyone makes tunes for a DJ, you make them for you innit.

But make what the fuck you want. It's just if you want your music to get some airplay and recieve more listeners it usually needs to follow a standard structure.
what about a DJ making tunes for himself?

Yes, that would make the DJ a producer as well though wouldn't it.

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:49 am

I'm a little late to join this

but i dont think a structure should be thought about too much, a good DJ will learn the track and can see what they need to do.

It saddens me to see people talking about this, not just because it puts a limit on creativity, but because its assuming a DJ is a robot who cant approach a mix in differnt ways.

When i was Djing Hip Hop, mixing boom bap with Soul, with Funk, with KRS-one was a challange and a delight.

feralbrown · Post by **feralbrown** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:16 am

Spherix wrote: i rarely see a dj pull out a tune theyve never heard and try to mix it

LOL!
I do that all the fukn time!
It's good value!
ESPECIALLY if it's not even the same genre as what you were playing just before... MASH IT UP!!!

(and I find the results to be far more *interesting* in terms of crowd response!)

(I'm serious!)

feralbrown · Post by **feralbrown** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:22 am

mushug wrote:i've always thought about the dj adapting to the tunes instead the tunes adapting to the dj...
not trying to take the piss... but are we talking about tunes or dj tools for lazy djs??
imho it's all about doing what you feel... there's some really fucked tunes with some really fucked up structures that sound heavy.

feralbrown · Post by **feralbrown** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:32 am

RyBread wrote:
LUCKY_STRIKE wrote:
SHNYDE wrote:I've sketched out a template project to use each time i start a new tune (using colours and working out the number of bars etc.) and with all your VSTs/effects and that ready loaded

Helps when you're actually writing the tune as sometimes you can get carried away/not make sections long enough.

i have a template project also. best way to work.
Some of you guys said you start every track with a laid out formula. what is it? Is it like 4 bar intro, 8 bar verse, 2 bar transition, 8 bar chorus?

why don't you expand for the kids (me) who can't afford to learn to DJ. Maybe even a diagram. Sorry, I'm just not getting what is going down.

I think that's pretty much it...

Personally, I would concern myself with the way you build up/break down your sound(s) and your ability to handle/manipulate tempo fluctuations subtley and such, before worrying about how long to make each segment... THAT is paramount to good music, IMHO... I'm not sure how else I can word that, but hopefully you get what I'm on about...

(I don't *specifically* make dubstep- I keep my fingers in a few different pies

You might wanna disregard this)

ossia · Post by **ossia** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:57 pm

if ur making it for the djs to mix then it is best to stick to that structure and it does work most of the time, but otherwise - fuck a formula. as long as the track flows it's all good.....it depends what vibe u wanna create/how u want the listener to feel.

ludofuzz · Post by **ludofuzz** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:54 am

(Drum Syndicate)
perfect example is the pad fill on Reso - No Such Thing as Fate when it drops into that super bubbly trancey riff.

Reso is sick. My mate studied music with him at college. His superior knowledge of production stems from --amongst other things-- him being an amazing drummer. Also he uses a lot of hardware rather than soft synths like a lot of producers.THis way you get a lot more control.

What the fuck is this thread about anyway? Sure you need structure anyone who calls themselves a producer should already know this unless they have never heard ANY piece of music before!

Although structure can be a bore........ Maybe DJs should spin more 'unique' plates of wax so people that aren't musically adept can experience other techniques.

BLAP!

panzar-rukkuz · Post by **panzar-rukkuz** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:55 am

flipw wrote:it is a big question though...

...why do producers make tunes?

it's all about getting laid and getting paid

LOL

*I wanna be just like robby williams*

scaramanga · Post by **scaramanga** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:43 am

i'm gonna make a dropless tune just for you

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