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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by Firkles » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:24 pm

Pistonsbeneath wrote:your worth cannot be measured by pieces of paper be it cash monies or qualifications

none of this is real anyway...don't let them trick you into believing them

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Init, never been asked for my degree, hnd, or alevel certs in my life, makes me wonder why i bothered... seriosuly thinking about not bothering doing me masters at durham or at all!

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by Firkles » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:24 pm

Pistonsbeneath wrote:your worth cannot be measured by pieces of paper be it cash monies or qualifications

none of this is real anyway...don't let them trick you into believing them

:D
Init, never been asked for my degree, hnd, or alevel certs in my life, makes me wonder why i bothered... seriosuly thinking about not bothering doing me masters at durham or at all!

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by Neurotik » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:23 pm

sd5 wrote:good advice fom WYS & Psychotic (who'll make a good psychotherapist no doubt)
Thanks :), just got my name wrong :cry:. Haha.
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by z.u.bee » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:35 pm

Wolverine wrote:im in the same boat :u:
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by magma » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:49 pm

Firkles wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:your worth cannot be measured by pieces of paper be it cash monies or qualifications

none of this is real anyway...don't let them trick you into believing them

:D
Init, never been asked for my degree, hnd, or alevel certs in my life, makes me wonder why i bothered... seriosuly thinking about not bothering doing me masters at durham or at all!
Tbf, it depends what you want to do with your life. I don't have a degree (didn't bother with Uni), but it would've been easier for me to get my last job if I had done - lots of places in my line of work want graduates. One of my best mates is walking straight out of uni into a ~40k engineering job... that's 4 years hard graft paying off.

Pieces of paper don't make you happy, but I reckon living comfortably helps. It's all about finding out what you need and getting it... but sure... pieces of paper for pieces of paper's sake are silly... and money if you've got no idea what to do with it is useless.

To the OP: You're only a failure if you WANT to succeed at something and don't. If you have no motivation, it's probably not the right thing for you... you need to have a solid think about what you want to do with your life and then, err, do it.
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by missedthebus » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:51 pm

magma wrote: To the OP: You're only a failure if you WANT to succeed at something and don't. If you have no motivation, it's probably not the right thing for you... you need to have a solid think about what you want to do with your life and then, err, do it.

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by tronn » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:21 pm

Neurotik wrote:I was near enough in the same situation not so long ago. I fucked up big time in school because i was dumb enough to prioritise fitting in with the popular crowd and conforming to the "careless moron" image over achieving; my way of compensating for social anxiety. I wound up with shite grades and no idea of what was out there for me or what i wanted to do. Partially the school's fault but realistically i still had to take the majority of the responisibility. I spent 3 years after school not exactly doing anything, i wound up in a state of clinical depression twice until i'd had enough. I could either stick in the cycle of wallowing in self pity over the issues i hadn't yet dealt with or i could face upto them and change things.

*prepare to cringe abit lol* After spending some time working with a psychologist i gained insight into the root causes and the consequential self beliefs and behaviours to be able to do something about it and change it. I managed to deal with the fact that, in the past, i'd try and place a great deal of dependance on relationships and my expectations of other people and i gradually managed to build that trust and repsect i was looking for in myself rather than in others. And another big part of why i ended where i was at the time was my way of dealing with anxiety i would encouter, which were mainly avoidance and detachment. I would go out my way to avoid things that i was anxious about failing at (exams, interview days, work experience, interviews etc.), and i if did wind up doing it i would detach any personal feelings from what was causing me anxiety so i could rationalise it if i failed.

The more i began to challenge avoidance, the more i began to gain confidence in things i would develop interest in. Once i actually had the interest and aspiration to apply myself at something i found out just how much i'm capable of if i willing to commit to it. I soon found myself developing long term plans for doing psychology at uni and beyond. Obviously i had a problem with the fact i had not got the sufficient GCSE's to be able to do the A-levels to be able to go on and do the rest but instead of giving up at the 1st hurdle i spent a year doing resits and i started A-levels this past september. So far it's great, i'm spending time learning about something i'm interested in and i'm getting rewards for the hard work i put in with the good grades i'm getting.

As much as i do regret alot of the past i can't afford to dwell on it as if a can change any of it, it just wastes time that could be effectively used in changing the future. Reading back through what i've just written i have gone on a big long random life story but i hope you can find some relevance in it. Don't believe your life is a failure because it's just reinforcing negative feelings that could leave you in a much worse state. Rather than convincing yourself that you've failed, become aware of the fact you're in a position of awareness and are now able to set about changing things. Try and see things in a more positive light and i'm sure you'll find something you will develop long term aspirations with. We all have potential, we just find different ways to best exercise it. Good luck for the future man and stay optimistic. :)
Excellent post. It's amazing how much our anxieties can work with self deception to stop us from pursuing the things that we want, and then justifying it away, or placing the blame on something outside of us. I'm sure 90% of people in the world live their whole lives not being aware of this, not that it's anyone's fault, it's really not stuff thats taught unless you have really good parents.

Being aware is absolutely the biggest, most important first step, if you live your life every day making decisions that you THINK are right but leave a queasy feeling in the gut, you need to take time to think and really ask yourself tough personal questions about those decisions. Doing that regularly makes you more aware.

I dont think theres any sort of failure aside from failure to act. When you attempt to do something you want to do, you always GAIN something, even if you dont get what you want, you'll learn what you need to fix to get that thing. The only time you GAIN nothing at all is when you don't attempt at all, that's what I think failure is.

I'm still working past my anxieties, i read a TON of self help books, and my life has never been better. I recommend the same...

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by NilsFG » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:29 pm

magma wrote:Pieces of paper don't make you happy
Hmm depends from person to person I think...
If I fail/start failing physics or chemistry next year at university it would depress me I won't get the degree I'm dreaming of!

That's all I wanted to say.

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by -dubson- » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:29 pm

I havent got any experience with all this sort of thing like many people here have, I'm still at school. BUT i think at the end of the day, like all things in life you have to really apply yourself, work as hard as you can, be motivated and strive to be the best you can. Then you'll get success/happiness in whatever you want to do.

If you are saying you arent motivated then you need either a kick up the arse or to find something that does motivate you. Or both.

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by Neurotik » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:56 pm

tronn wrote:Excellent post. It's amazing how much our anxieties can work with self deception to stop us from pursuing the things that we want, and then justifying it away, or placing the blame on something outside of us. I'm sure 90% of people in the world live their whole lives not being aware of this, not that it's anyone's fault, it's really not stuff thats taught unless you have really good parents.

Being aware is absolutely the biggest, most important first step, if you live your life every day making decisions that you THINK are right but leave a queasy feeling in the gut, you need to take time to think and really ask yourself tough personal questions about those decisions. Doing that regularly makes you more aware.

I dont think theres any sort of failure aside from failure to act. When you attempt to do something you want to do, you always GAIN something, even if you dont get what you want, you'll learn what you need to fix to get that thing. The only time you GAIN nothing at all is when you don't attempt at all, that's what I think failure is.

I'm still working past my anxieties, i read a TON of self help books, and my life has never been better. I recommend the same...
Thanks! Yeah, i totally agree, i'm still dealing with abit of mine also. I still find myself getting anxious when meeting new people and avoiding revision/study when i should be doing it as i find myself getting very anxious about performance. My faulty way of reasoning towards avoidance says that if i study hard and fail, i'll be more effected than if i can rationalise it by saying "i could have done better if i studied harder" which is pretty much self deception there lol. My past has already proved that, although avoiding anxiety provoking situations may be a pleasant relief in the short term, it pretty much leaves you fucked in the long term as you cause yourself to miss out on essential learning opportunities. I guess its always most helpful to try and stick to challenging my anxieties by challenging my thoughts on a situation since the feelings are product of the thoughts. Definitely agree with what you say about what you gain, even if you don't succeed the first time, try and take as much as you can to learn from for next time and also importantly, think back to the anxiety that wanted you to avoid and challenge it, asking "was that really a rational level of anxiety for what i was doing", if that makes any sense lol.
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by tripaddict » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:00 pm

THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER :w:

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by 2manynoobs » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:21 pm

z.u.bee wrote:
Wolverine wrote:im in the same boat :u:
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haha :lol:

And what Neurotik said :z:
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by 2manynoobs » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:23 pm

NilsFG wrote:
magma wrote:Pieces of paper don't make you happy
Hmm depends from person to person I think...
If I fail/start failing physics or chemistry next year at university it would depress me I won't get the degree I'm dreaming of!

That's all I wanted to say.
People who aim to get a degree are NOT welcome on this forum.

That's all I wanted to say.
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by magma » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:33 pm

NilsFG wrote:
magma wrote:Pieces of paper don't make you happy
Hmm depends from person to person I think...
If I fail/start failing physics or chemistry next year at university it would depress me I won't get the degree I'm dreaming of!

That's all I wanted to say.
The next bit of my sentence applied to you. Pieces of paper don't do anything - however, properly applied qualifications can make you very happy indeed. Like I said, my friend is walking out of Imperial into a pretty nice engineering job thanks to her degree and I have a mate who is now designing computer games (the awesome looking APB to be exact) because of his degree... however I also know people with bits of paper saying "degree" on them who's only evidence of having been at Uni is 15k of debt.

It's all about making the choices that are right for you. I'm seriously tempted to go to Uni (maybe Open Uni) at some point myself now that I know the things I like studying....
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by collige » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:34 pm

2manynoobs wrote:
NilsFG wrote:
magma wrote:Pieces of paper don't make you happy
Hmm depends from person to person I think...
If I fail/start failing physics or chemistry next year at university it would depress me I won't get the degree I'm dreaming of!

That's all I wanted to say.
People who aim to get a degree are NOT welcome on this forum.

That's all I wanted to say.
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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by NilsFG » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:36 pm

magma wrote:
NilsFG wrote:
magma wrote:Pieces of paper don't make you happy
Hmm depends from person to person I think...
If I fail/start failing physics or chemistry next year at university it would depress me I won't get the degree I'm dreaming of!

That's all I wanted to say.
The next bit of my sentence applied to you. Pieces of paper don't do anything - however, properly applied qualifications can make you very happy indeed. Like I said, my friend is walking out of Imperial into a pretty nice engineering job thanks to her degree and I have a mate who is now designing computer games because of his degree... however I also know people with bits of paper saying "degree" on them who's only evidence of having been at Uni is 15k of debt.

It's all about making the choices that are right for you. I'm seriously tempted to go to Uni (maybe Open Uni) at some point myself now that I know the things I like studying....
Well, you're right. And actually, I may say this now, but I'm not really trying to get a degree to have a good job later.
A good job and carreer will bring you one step closer to a balanced & cosy life, but I just want to do it because I just love physics (an opinion that will probably change when I'm doing those 15+ hours of maths every week).

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by NilsFG » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:40 pm

collige wrote:
2manynoobs wrote:
NilsFG wrote:
magma wrote:Pieces of paper don't make you happy
Hmm depends from person to person I think...
If I fail/start failing physics or chemistry next year at university it would depress me I won't get the degree I'm dreaming of!

That's all I wanted to say.
People who aim to get a degree are NOT welcome on this forum.

That's all I wanted to say.
:(
He has a postcount lower than 1000, don't take it personal.

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Re: I'm A Failure...

Post by 2manynoobs » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:56 pm

lawl. Some people don't get jokes.

I don't like degree's but I do like to run my own business one day, and have a nice life blabla. I'll be studying Business Development...



... if i ever get out of secondary school that is.

Gotta learn learning actually takes effort :|

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Re: I'm A Failure...

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2manynoobs wrote:masturbation
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Re: I'm A Failure...

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NilsFG wrote:
2manynoobs wrote:masturbation
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