So you don't like grime?

[blackdown]

I saw P Money, Blacks, Badness and others the other week in Bristol and they were spitting over all these wobble tunes that I would usually hate - and made it sound good. It's boring on its own.

yup, me too, oddly - maybe the voice high in the mix drowns out some of the midrange of the wobble. it feels like focused, controlled anger not a tantrum. either way P Money over Chase n Status is a lot.

[mercutio]

does anyone have a link for that kode9 and wiley rinse show from 2006?
i cant find it on barefiles and would love to hear it

[apathesis]

does anyone have a link for that kode9 and wiley rinse show from 2006?
i cant find it on barefiles and would love to hear it

seconded

[dreamizm]

I still take a lot of interest in Grime Blackdown, but a lot of it just doesn't work for me.

I've been playing fresh stuff from Silencer, Tempa T, Rude Kid, Maniac and most obviously Joker in my sets for the last year.

Recently the only mixtape that really caught me was P Money's. And I think the main reason for that was the choice of rhythm tracks from Sukh Knight and Silencer particularly.

I still check for grime all the time but a lot of it is not headed where I want to hear it heading. I don't mind stuff that might work in the mainstream but i'm not into the stuff thats being built with the mainstream in mind. I'm all about music as art, make it how you want to make it and because you believe in it, not because thats what people are buying right now.

I still champion what I believe to be decent grime, but there is not a great deal of good instrumental grime around any more, and the good vocal tracks are few and far between. I've probably played less than 10 in the last year... ones i can think of being:

P Money - Look How Many
P Money - Hot Ones
Newham Gens - Hard
Doctor - Tek Your Time
Tempa T - Next Hype
Tempa T - Boy Off Da Ting
JME - Ghetto Superstar
Wiley - Where's My Brother

That and a couple of Jeeday Jaws tracks.

I still have MC's pass thru the show. We've had Trim, Obese, Lee Brasco, Tempa T, Rage on the show in the last 6 months.

I would play a lot more grime if more of it was built for the dancefloor. Check my recent playlists though, there's still a fair amount getting dropped.

I agree with your comment on its direction however in relation to dubstep. With obvious exceptions being Dizzee, Kano, Tinchy, Chipmunk and Tinie Tempah.

Skepta's heading for the mainstream in 2010 I reckon.

Smashed it with this post. Agree 110%.

For the record, i class 99% of joker and alot of gemmy and guido as (modern day) 'grime' rather than 'dubstep' but that is for another thread. If the right mc's got on their riddims, dubstep wld be nowhere right now.

[dreamizm]

Grime should have been big in the us off of tredding on thin ice alone, but the marketing fully fucked it all up. I'd be pissed if i was wiley.

No it shdnt. 'Treading On Thin Ice' deserved to flop, it was a waste attempt at an album, esp after the same mgmt and label had just put out Boy In The Corner.

[deamonds]

[Littlefoot]

Who remembers when Grime was the aggy upbeat stuff in Dubstep/Grime sets and the original half stepy Mystikz/Skream/Benga esque stuff was kinda inbetween... thats the golden era.

[tru_g]

now with that said-- it doesn't always work. Ms. Dynamite had a BIG push here, played saturday night live, had a wicked single (Ms. dynamite-ee-hee) and went NOWHERE. did she have a career in the UK after that?

Lol she brought out a Grime CD with her brother and most of the big heads in the scene

I think the main reason for the difference in popularity between the two genres is the fact that people buy the music in Dubstep, whereas Grime is riddled with piracy and what not and although everybody has the newest tunes they got it sent through bluetooth or rapidshare rather than through the post.

There are many stories in the scene of people spenidng months putting together CDs and then those CDs only selling 30 units, bare people gave up and left the Grime scene cos they thought there was no support for what they were doing.

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime. People didnt want to listen to Sukh Knight when Sketch E was playing his tunes in Grime sets years back, until True Tiger signed him. People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

Theres so much talent in the Grime scene but its like DJs and consumers are scared to check it out.

Either way back on topic big up Elijah and Skilliam big tings for Butterz this year

[dreamizm]

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime. People didnt want to listen to Sukh Knight when Sketch E was playing his tunes in Grime sets years back, until True Tiger signed him. People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

Theres so much talent in the Grime scene but its like DJs and consumers are scared to check it out.

tru stories. same with a lot of ppl's attitude to 'mc's in dubstep' (another topic still).

Grime is gona come back in 2010/11 when ppl start reminiscing abt 05/06 shit and all the dances are deadout cos funky has flopped and everything else has gone IDM.

[blackdown]

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime....People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

^this.

People - fans and journalists alike - hyping Joker but not checking for Terror Danjah until Mu compiled his beats ... it's just embarassing.

[Demos]

completely agree with the above posts

[colz]

People - fans and journalists alike - hyping Joker but not checking for Terror Danjah until Mu compiled his beats ... it's just embarassing.

This is so true. Over here, u would never hear tunes from the likes of Terror Danjah at any of the city's 'dubstep' nights over the last few years; this time next week he's headlining a major venue.....with punk bands? Dont ask.

[dom]

I often play sets comprising a mix of dubstep and old grime and it astonishes me how often Im asked what a tune is and when i tell them its Oddz of Genius or whoever and that it is a grime tune, the person seems shocked in a way that i can see they are fighting their own prejudices by liking the song in question. Its amazing how some of these old tunes have stood the test of time and are produced so well that they still sound good next to new stuff. Obviously there is some shit, but 02/3/4 grime still gets serious reactions on the dance floor even by people who were definitely not into it originally.
Its funny how people seem to suddenly decide that its acceptable to like certain people (Tempa T, Terrah Danger etc) when other equally good artists get ignored until someone cool says its ok to like them.

[deamonds]

Lol at the above full circle post’s, I remember listening to grime in 2005/6 and wishing it was more like it was in 2001/2 haha!

But yea, terror danjah getting props now is not only belated, but very well deserved. Going back to what Tru-G said, the Pirate Sessions EP & The mu-ziq release, I doubt a lot of people were even aware of After Shock (label), and how many anthems and 12” of pure energy were put out. I mean some of those EP’s are pure foundation music, creepy crawler, cock back, night crawler, all them...

I remember around the frontline era, when like nearly every fucking producer on the planet was remixing that tune. Trizla has got about 3 dubs of all remixes of that tune, pure hype each & every.

But 2001-2002, when it was just a bridge between 2-step & grime was gold, platinum 45, sticky, hackney soldiers all those 2steppy, sub rollers, 8bar. Pure greatness.

[blazey]

But 2001-2002, when it was just a bridge between 2-step & grime was gold, platinum 45, sticky, hackney soldiers all those 2steppy, sub rollers, 8bar. Pure greatness.

Dont forget the Harry Lime album,

[deamonds]

@blazey

Ah yes!

And the Sirus releases, grouch...powerful music

Oh and ALIAS!, but w/e, yea, big$hot, all of them.

[cody]

Where is Jon E Ca$h?

One of my favorite producers.

REAL SUB LOW PRESSURE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49P9KP0alFg

[cody]

Not forgetting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7GHUG0J3e0

[DZA]

Sure he started making bassline

[deamonds]

Nah, he defo isnt making bassline, he has a lot of stuff he is sitting on but is tired of the industry.